For anyone considering complaining about the complaining, now is absolutely the time to bitch and moan about the DNC and all of their failures. It’s 4 years until the next presidential election (hopefully) so if ever there were a time to complain, and execute the ultrawealthy, it is now.
and execute the ultrawealthy,
Post haste.
Pelosi needs to go.
Now is the time to see who might run for house/senate seats and encourage those you like, insult those you don’t, and volunteer. See if we can replace some of the spineless DNC members.
Did you see what happened in 2008?
A progressive won and if he hadn’t ignored the DNC because they screwed him he could have changed leadership and made lasting change to the party!
The same people wouldn’t be in charge and they wouldn’t be grifting their cut off billionaire’s bribes.
For the people running the DNC the only real loss would be a progressive winning, that’s why they keep taking steps since then to ensure there’s no chance of their pick losing again .
We ain’t fighting the same fight as them. They’re fine with a republican winning, hell, it drives up donations.
The DNC allowed Obama to be the nominee because they were assured he would back off on progressive policy and institute corporate friendly programs like the ACA. For the DNC him being the first black president was a suitable surrogate to progressive change.
ACA was watered down because of Lieberman.
Obama chose to oust Dean over the public option, which facilitated Lieberman’s success in that endeavour, so yeah that is accurate to say.
Howard Dean was the hiccup in the DNC after 2004 when Kerry and Edwards went for the ticket. He got control of the DNC (being 3rd) and got the party to run on healthcare reform and a public option in all 50 states. The moment Obama took control Dean was removed and the signal was given the public option would not be fought for.
He was all in on the public option. They really were blindsided by him.
That’s the thing that’s hard to determine: if he gave up because of Lieberman or if Lieberman was the cover for backing off.
I didn’t think so at the time, but given the track record and actions of the party since then? I kinda do feel Obama wasn’t so all-in for it.
No, it was pretty clear. And if it was a cover then it was the party telling Obama he couldn’t have it. He’d never have proposed it if he didn’t want it on the table.
Calling Obama a progressive is rather laughable
He was in favor of civil unions instead of marriage for LGBT so… that’s something I guess?
Something that really impressed me with Bernie was that in 2015 he gave a speech at Liberty University.
Liberty is the among the most conservative of conservative “Christian” colleges. As surprised as I was that they allowed him to speak, I was more surprised that Bernie went. I was raised in Christian fundamentalism. I know how hard it is to break down the barriers between you and people who belive you’re going to hell for A.) Being Jewish, and B.) supporting ‘baby murderin’.
That’s a wide gap but he tried to bridge it anyway and find common ground. I thought he did a damn good job. He showed more backbone than any other major player in the democratic party when everyone else thought it was a waste of time to talk to anyone who isn’t a “swing state” voter.
It was one of the reasons I voted for him twice. It was clear that Bernie was/is interested in the welfare of all Americans and that he wanted to be president for all Americans. Even ones he might have significant ideological differences with. The Democrats can’t whine about their dwindling support when they’re too chicken shit to go talk to people in Red states. Trump is and will contibue to be a collosal failure as president, but he proved one thing for certain. The days of the “safe” candidate being a winning bet are gone.
It’s such a great speech too. Here it is: https://youtu.be/p5ZB8Lg1tcA
2008 DNC was oblivious to Obama until the caucuses started, cuz polling (except for one agency) was consistently missing his popularity with first-timers, so they didn’t get much of a chance to stop him.
This was also before Citizens United, so there’s that too…
Why don’t the primaries in 2016 and 2020 count? Just curious, asking in good faith.
In 2016, Clinton paid off the DNC’s debts and became it’s only financial lifeline, for which DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz abdicated control of party to Clinton’s team long before she secured the nomination,, the AP controversially called the primary for Hillary just before California voted, giving voters the impression the primary was over before voting finished, and the DNC later argued in court that they had no obligation give Bernie a fair, democratic primary.
In 2020, Obama worked behind the scenes to get the other moderates to drop out and back Biden, and Representatives Ford and Smith admitted the party did coalesce around Biden in 2020 to block Bernie.
TL:DR: 2016 was meant to be a Clinton coronation with no real challengers, and they had to kneecap Bernie when he got in the way. 2020 was an open, fair election between everyone that wasn’t named Sanders, and they had to kneecap Bernie when he got in the way.
You screwed up your closing parentheses on the first link. Just a heads up.
Thanks for the heads up, it’s fixed.
For one they did not, at all, care for the results of the votes. Like in 2016 they just used Superdelegates to invalidate all the races Clinton had lost.
For one they did not, at all, care for the results of the votes. Like in 2016 they just used Superdelegates to invalidate all the races Clinton had lost.
They did no such thing. Fuck’s sake. We lost by some 10% points, against Hillary fucking Clinton. This idea that the better candidate will automatically be the more popular one is some utter fucking delusion I keep seeing from the left.
I voted for Bernie twice. I would vote for him again in a heartbeat, age and all. That’s not the same as peddling “The DNC STOLE the primary from us!”
At the very, very least, they are guilty of lopsided financial support and advertising dollars behind each candidate. The rest is largely supposition, though certainly COULD be true. Sometimes it’s easier to accept that than that the other voters are dumb. I have no idea which is actually true
I mean, even if you look at third party polling in the 2016 primaries, you get largely the same results. The DNC was unfair to Bernie - but at the same time, it is the primary voters who failed him.
Explain West Virginia.
West Virginia, where Clinton is the literal devil even amongst Democrats? Where the Obama administration was reviled, even amongst Democrats, and Clinton was still heavily associated with the Obama administration?
Do you… do you think West Virginia is more socialist inclined? More progressive inclined?
I spent most of my life growing up next door to West Virginia. West Virginia was a literal, not figurative, stone’s throw from my hometown. I know a lot of West Virginians.
WV going for Bernie in the 2016 primary doesn’t say what you think it does.
Okay Mr. Smarty-pants, explain why I’m so sad that Bernie lost twice then!
… 😭
Because few things are as crushing as knowing your fellow voters are dumb as shit.
Stupid fellow voters… Stupid democracy… Stupid freedom…
Thank goodness we don’t have to worry about that nonsense anymore…
Wets Virginia where Bernie won every single county and yet was overruled via Superdelegates and given to Clinton.
https://ballotpedia.org/Superdelegates_from_West_Virginia,_2016
“Overruled via Superdelegates and given to Clinton”
Oh, okay, so you don’t know what Superdelegates are. Unsurprising.
Using the superdelegates to call the race for Hillary the night before the California primary, He’s in the superdelegates in West Virginia and other states. Doing everything they could to stop Bernie. Watch this clip: https://youtu.be/QGuVDz_88po
Doing everything they could to stop Bernie.
Not to mention the fact that we know the DNC was having their media outlets run interference on the Sanders campaign, painting him as a crazy left socialist to scare off the moderates, when in reality the majority of Americans approve of his campaign’s policies even more than the Dems’ or Repubs’.
NPR would refuse to say his name, it was always “Hilary Clinton, and the Vermont senator”. Cokie Roberts was a Wellesley alumn.
This video is blocked in my country. Girl another source ?
Try this one. Skip to the 3:40 mark
There was a primary in 2024 that Biden won as well. The DNC doesn’t need to spend much money on an incumbent’s campaign. It’s up to the voters to research their alternatives and vote in the primary. That doesn’t make it less fair, but suggests that US citizens are lazy or disengaged.
It’s up to the voters to research their alternatives and vote in the primary.
If the DNC give no alternatives to vote for then it’s not on the voters.
In 2020, after the moderates realized that a progressive might win, they coalesced around a single moderate candidate.
The progressives did not respond in kind.
The progressives then lost the primary.
Yeah everyone forgets their heroine Elizabeth Warren felt it was a good idea to talk shit about Bernie every chance she got and further reduced his chances by dropping out last minute.
Here’s how the media treated Bernie: https://youtu.be/3ZhkKATtqtU
You mean when we lost by some 10% in the vote against Hillary fucking Clinton, a legendarily unpopular politician, with even socialist-hostile West Virginia protest-voting for Bernie over Clinton?
“But the DNC tipped the scales by showing favoritism”, yes, they wanted a coronation, but it didn’t come down to a handful of voters who were swayed by fucking DWS, it came down to Bernie not being able to overcome the long-standing nominee who had been building a ground game for her presidential run for… 16 years? Arguably more?
Bernie threw his hat into the ring as a protest, not expecting to gain much support. He had to build an apparatus from the ground up in a matter of months. That he got within 10% of Clinton is a miracle and a showing of the strength of Bernie’s position - but also not a loss attributable to the sinister DNC mind-controlling millions of voters.
the sinister DNC mind-controlling millions of voters.
I would count media manipulation and advance debate questions as sinister mind control.
Weird that you didn’t feel the need to include this in your original answer, isn’t it?
Weird that you didn’t feel the need to include this in your original answer, isn’t it?
Lord.
Screw this meme format that perpetuates the normalization and acceptance of christianity. Fixed it.
Would probably flow more naturally and avoid unwanted conversation if you used “on earth” or something else universally experienced instead of “in athieism” which leads to the same problem you were complaining about but from a different group.
I would like to normalize non-belief though.
Sorry if I’m being unintentionally obtuse, this is a genuine question, what’s not normalized about it? I can’t remember the last time I had a conversation about my faith or lack thereof. Could just be my location and circles I hang out with, but I don’t know many people, especially my age or younger, who really care one way or another.
There’s so much more to it, but the short version is that a huge portion of this country doesn’t consider atheists trustworthy or even properly “American”. God is on our money, the bible is used for official government ceremony, most of our public holidays are Christian, the word holiday and tons of others are explicitly rooted in religious culture. In-n-Out has a little bible passage on their cups.
Being openly atheist is a radical position in this country, one that will limit you professionally and socially.
God I’m sick of this blamestorming shit.
Hey at least the blame here is hitting the DNC where it belongs.
have you considered taking it out on Hispanics and Muslims?
Some people want to cast blame. Some want to identify the problem so it can be addressed. Blaming voters is just establishment bitching to distract attention from reforms they want to avoid.
It’s only 1 month every 4 years.
Anyone giving odds on whether or not they’ll hold a fair primary in 2028?
They’ll just force us all to support Gavin Newsom. It’s his turn.
He’s wildly unpopular outside of his circle of influence. I think he even lost support in CA this year. That doesn’t mean they won’t try to force him anyway.
If anything that kinda lends itself to be more likely, as is tradition.
He didn’t spend all that time vetoing progressive policies and harassing the homeless to sit on the sidelines while someone else runs against Trump’s third term.
Who is Bernie adjacent? Anyone?
Nah, Newsom is like, pretty cool at times. DNC only does uncool. It will be Pete butt
He supported criminalizing the poor and raising rents just this year. It’s not going to go well for him in a national debate.
True and facts. I’m just saying he’s marginally better than Pete butt.
Tom Walz 2028
I really like him but I don’t know if he it in him to be the top of the ticket. Is debate performance was middling at best.
There won’t be midterms, let alone a 2028 election.
The only way I agree with you is if WWIII is underway. But that’s already a possibility even before he takes office.
WWIII is already taking place and has been since at least 2020 and probably 2015. Russia has financed the conservatives for a long, long time. They’ve been behind the rise in podcasts, tiktoks, and youtube vids to influence the youth juat look at how the day after the election, grade-schoolers were shifting "your body, my choice at girls. They’ve broken us from the inside.
This time, well be Germany because we’ll have the camps, and Russia will be Italy and Japan. It took a world War to break fascism hold the last time.
Did the DNC not do anything to knee cap Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel in 2008? Was before I was paying any attention to politics, so actually just asking a question rather than trying to insinuate anything.
I don’t know what the sandwich did, but I still love you sandwich.
it’s a subway, calling it a sandwich is charitable to say the least
Pretty sure only like 16 Million people voted in the 2024 Primary
Only like 36 Million in 2020
Instead of complaining about how unfair it is why dont people actually try organizing for a candidate and voting in primaries?
Or better yet, just give dems + indie a supermajority and they’ll reform voting.
The Democrats can reform their primary process any way they want any time they want. They are a private organization.
And they are. In Kansas and Hawaii since 2020 they’ve used RCV for DNC Primaries. Maine, a blue state, also practices RCV for the general election.
On the other hand, many Republicans have directly opposed RCV.
And the majority of these reforms are brought about by Petition, including the ballot measures.
They are, but not nearly enough. The entire primary system is setup to be easily manipulated by the party leadership and their puppets on cable news.
Also, this isn’t exactly a fair statement since the primary was declared over before the majority of states even got to participate. Yes there is low turnout sometimes in states that get to participate, but there are many of us who would like to and can’t, hence feeling like it isn’t exactly a fair or representative process
The sandwich has a point
Is that what you told yourself when you didn’t vote?
I voted. I always vote.
