I know this topic has been discussed a lot before, but in my opinion there is no simple answer to this question.
Lately, I have been a bit disappointed with my Nikon DSLR kit (D3200) and thus Iāve been considering an upgrade. I got it many years ago, and it is undoubtedly a great, affordable camera that produces great images. Iāve had lots of fun with it and I canāt complain about its performance when shooting ā given ideal conditions. When I am shooting more challenging subjects, however, I feel a bit hindered by my camera body/system. The points that bother me the most are:
- Size. The D3200 is a very nice, compact, and lightweight DSLR, but it is still relatively big compared to modern cameras. It wonāt fit in a jacket pocket even without an attached lens. More current cameras with a higher image quality can be smaller than it is (but heavier). The situation is even worse for higher-end DSLRs.
- Autofocus. Again, the D3200 is a fantastic camera if you are just using the center focus spot using the optical viewfinder and nothing else. Live view (contrast) focus is straight up unusable, and there are only 11 (phase) focus points or so if using the viewfinder. At least thatās the case with āordinaryā Nikon lenses. I donāt know how it performs with higher-end lenses, like the Sigma Art line.
- āLow lightā performance. I canāt bump the ISO significantly before image degradation becomes obvious. Low light in quotes because thatās the case even in fairly well-lit situations. Occasionally, I like to print on medium-sized paper (A3+), and if I need anything above ISO 400 to properly expose the image, it wonāt look that good printed. Of course, I can always stick to printing bright images large and save the ālow lightā scenes to smaller prints, so this isnāt really my main concern.
- Custom controls. I wish I could customize the camera settings a bit more. For example, on my camera, the back button AF/AE can be set to lock the AF/AE or as a back button focus. But in image preview mode, the same button ālocksā the image so it canāt be deleted. Thus, you need to quit image preview before using that button to trigger autofocus again. I would like to have a dedicated AF button so I can shoot straight from image preview if the opportunity arises. Another example of customization I canāt do: settings like auto-ISO and shutter speed canāt be capped/limited to a certain range. Letās say I want to use auto-ISO but prevent it from going above 400 to avoid too much noise (and decrease shutter speed but risk shaky images). Or the opposite: prevent the shutter speed in aperture priority mode from going below 1/100 to avoid shaky images and then change ISO instead. Well, I canāt do either at the moment. Again, a nice feature to have, but totally something I can live with.
From what I have seen, cameras nowadays have gotten pretty good and they do look like a significant upgrade from 10-15 year old bodies. I guess all popular, entry-level, modern cameras (2019-) solve at least 3 of the 4 problems I listed above, so I donāt think I can go wrong with any big brand. However, Iām having a hard time deciding with so many options and sensor size/formats available. My options so far are:
- Nikon Z. Since I am already familiar with Nikon F lenses, I have read a lot about them and I know the strengths and weaknesses of many of those. That means I likely wonāt be disappointed if I switch to another system, and I want a certain lens that doesnāt exist, or the optical performance is poor, or it is prohibitively expensive. The Z50, Z5, and Z6 all look amazing, and I can pick or switch between a full frame or cropped sensor easier than I would if I was stuck with a micro four thirds. They are more affordable than Sony.
- Sony. They seem to be fantastic cameras, with great image quality and features. Sigma and Tamron options for Nikon are likely available for Sony as well. Iām just slightly afraid that lenses might be too expensive for what they offer. Their cameras look super compact and pocketable, which is a huge plus to me. Full frame (A7iii) or cropped (A6400) are also both available for a seamless transition.
- Olympus. I think it is impossible to beat micro four thirds in size and affordability. It is perhaps the only system where you can get a wide angle, portrait, fast prime, macro, and telephoto that you can take everywhere in a small bag while not costing you a fortune. They also have pretty nice features, such as the ālive modeā/āsmartphone photographyā, where you can get a frame that was captured slightly before the shutter button was pressed. This must be so cool for wildlife. Olympus stabilization is also highly regarded, with people claiming it to be āgimbal-likeā. The E-M5 iii looks very appealing. My main concern is that Iāve never used a micro four thirds before and thus I donāt know how much Iām letting go in image quality. I already feel that the dynamic range I get with the D3200 rocking a larger, cropped sensor could be better.
I am not considering:
- Canon. I completely disagree with their āno third party lensesā policy. To me, that is unacceptable.
- Fujifilm. There are barely any telephoto options and they are one of my favorite lens types to use.
- Panasonic. I like what I read about the Lumix cameras, but they seem to be behind Olympus regarding micro four third still-focused cameras (apart from the G9). And I donāt know much about the L-mount.
- Hasselblad, Leica, etc. Too expensive. I want something that I can take with me everywhere and not worry too much if it gets damaged.
I would appreciate if you all could help me figure this out! Especially people who have used more than one modern mirrorless system or have recently transitioned from DSLR to mirrorless. Many thanks in advance!
Edited to add:
I forgot to describe how exactly I use my camera. I mostly shoot:
- āLifestyleā photos, like something cool Iāve seen while biking to work, walking in the park, visiting museums, etc.
- Hiking, biking, backpacking photos, like landscape, close ups, macro, wildlife, etc.
- Birds of all sizes.
- Occasionally, street photography if thereās some cool event going on.
- I do like to shoot video, so something that would be 4K capable would be great.
Just a couple minor points to add to your consideration. IDK what your budget is but buying a used flagship camera is often better than a new midrange camera. The main difference youāre going to not be able to easily compete with is newer sensor tech but there are some really stellar older cameras.
You donāt mention what kind of photography youāre trying to do and that would make difference.
I picked up a used canon 7D mark 2 for about $350 used it basically perfect condition. Because this was a prosumer flagship at the time it has all the bells and whistles of that era. Itās my primary wildlife camera. I picked up an Olympus OM-D E-M5 2 recently for about $450. Their prices have bumped up a lot I think because everyone is getting into street photography. Iāve been having lots of fun with it. Got a 7.5mm Rokinon fisheye and a 14-42mm zoom. Been fun doing closeups on insects and landscape stuff so far. Itās very compact and feature rich. M43 lenses are much cheaper entry point than APS-C and FF are so for just having fun itās way cheaper to experiment. Having IBIS is really nice too.
Both cameras have tons of customizaility. They arenāt the low light champs a full frame would be but getting some faster primes has helped with that. I picked one up from UsedPhotoPro and the other from MPB. They do a good job going over the cameras and showing you the exact one youāre purchasing and they offer 6-12 month guarantees on all the stuff they sell which is nice.
It sounds like you really want something lighter weight so M43 might be a good way to go. There are some really nice cameras in M43. The prices even new are less. Flagship Sony, canon, Nikon are all in that 5-7000 range and flagship Olympus and Panasonic are like 2000-2500 new. Something I decided was to get a used M43 knowing that because itās an open standard any lenses I got would mostly work between Olympus and Panasonic if I upgraded to a new body. Itās also a good way to get a āproā style more DSLR like body if you want and a super small pocket camera style at the same time and have a collection of lenses to choose from as the whim suits.
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Okay either you edited while I was typing or I didnāt see before what you said your types of photography were.
As happy as I have been with my canon DSLRā¦ I agree with you ( and many others ). Canonās policy about 3rd party lenses is utter bullshitā¦ and their first party glass is way overpriced. Only their L glass can really outshine anyone and itās stupidly overpricedā¦ their regular stuff youāre better with sigma and since their new R system stuff doesnāt play nice with that itās a non-starter really. (Now if you wanted to go with DSLR, itās a different story but those are chunky and heavyā¦ my wildlife rig weighs 8-10lbs depending on what I bring for just the camera itself)
With you starting your post about camera size and mentioning the nikon d3200ā¦ which isnāt a large DSLRā¦ I really think the M43 format might be worth looking into. Another big advantage of M43 is even if the body is the same size, the lenses will be considerably smaller and lighter than comparable APS-C or FF lenses. So size and weight will be greatly reduced. The crop factor on M43 is 2x (as opposed to 1.5x nikon APS-C and 1.6x canon APS-C) so getting more āreachā with a lens for things like birds is easier with smaller focal length glass as well. Since most of them will have good IBIS since itās easier to stabilize physically smaller sensor as well. Not that new APS-C and FF cameras canāt have good IBISā¦ but for example my OM-D E-M5 2 has several stops of 5 axis IBIS on a camera from 2015. I can handhold shots at 1/2 second shutter speeds. Newer cameras will be even better. For hiking et al, the smaller size and weight will be a bonus. For street photography itās one of the go to systems because of the small size. Etc.
The 4K video is going to be a stickier subject and looking into hybrid cameras is much trickier. I recommend checking out petapixelās youtube. Thatās where the DPReview guys ended up and their stuff is great. It focuses on both still and video so a review of anything will be well rounded. https://www.youtube.com/@PetaPixel for their older stuff DPReview is still around for now as well https://www.youtube.com/@dpreview I also really like MicroFourNerds stuff if you wanted to look at a ton of different reviews focused on M43 system. https://www.youtube.com/@MicroFourNerds
Thank you for such a great reply! I will try to address your points individually.
First, agreed that used flagship always beats brand-new midrange. I will likely buy a higher-end (not flagship) camera used, because thatās what I do for basically everything (lenses, laptops, bikes, etc). I was a bit hesitant to state a budget because I am slightly flexible with it. However, I do not want to own a setup that costs more than $2k including everything. I was thinking about spending ~$500-750 on the body, and ~$1k-1.5k on lenses (long-term). I would like to have a compact, flexible kit lens, a long telephoto (Iām talking ~600mm equivalent), and a dedicated macro. Fast primes and pancake primes might be interesting depending on how I feel about the camera body. I know this is feasible with Nikon (given the FTZ adapter) and Olympus (as you know from experience). I am unsure about Sony.
I will likely do the same thing as you did, and buy from MPB, KEH, Adorama, UsedPhotoPro, etc. The local shops in my area pay too little for cameras and usually charge too much unless you are patient and find a gem. Also, the no-questions-asked return policy I can get online is much better than what local shops can afford to provide.
Second, I agree that the D3200 is a small DSLR. Iāve noticed that its size doesnāt bother me most of the time, but it isnāt a camera I can easily take with me everywhere. For example, it still canāt fit in a pocket or small bag, so I need to carry a relatively large bag to bring the camera and one extra lens with me. That is definitely not the case with feature-packed, smaller mirrorless cameras, like the Lumix GX or the Sony A6x00 series. On the other hand, I would also like to have more dynamic range and ālow lightā performance than the D3200 when camera size isnāt a problem. For that reason, I was considering avoiding mirrorless altogether and getting a Nikon F full-frame for situations where size isnāt a problem (D610, D750, D810), and a compact point-and-shoot to carry around at all times (Z-V1, RX100). However, two things made me think that this might not be a good idea. One reason is that āgoodā compact cameras nowadays are the same price as arguably better mirrorless without much compromise in size, so why even bother with a point-and-shoot? The other reason is that I wouldnāt be able to mix-and-match lenses, which would also be nice.
Lastly, I will be sure to check out PetaPixelās videos. Iāve seen a lot of MicroFourNerdsā content and I agree that she is great.
Iām glad to hear youāre enjoying the E-M5ii. I was thinking about getting the E-M5iii because of the 4K video. I skipped the E-M10 line due to the lack of weather sealing and ādowngradedā processor (as MicroFourNerds recommended). The E-M1 is much heavier given that it is āfor prosā, so it kind of defeats the purpose of portability in my case.
I agree that point and shoot or bridge cameras are a a little silly these days. I have been looking into the M43 stuff because I can add a few different sized and featured bodies while sticking with interchangeable lenses that are part of the same system. Some of the M43 bodies are absolutely tiny, especially if youāre willing to give up the viewfinder and only use the back screen.
I saw you mention in another reply about how the newer M43 seem to be not doing compact cameras anymore. Itās hard to say if that trend will continue or notā¦ panasonic seems to be doing more of that sort of thing still and offering things across the spectrum of use cases. I feel like the popularity of street photography right now will likely make some new compact things show up eventually. I would point out, also, that the sony a7iii youāre mentioning is basically the same physical size as the OM-1 seriesā¦ but the lenses will be half the size. https://camerasize.com/compare/#777,918 so your total kit size and weight will be much smaller.
I watched countless videos looking at little M43 cameras before I picked up the E-M5 II. The weather sealing was definitely a big bonus for a little camera. I donāt care about video at all, so I was happy to go with the slightly older version. The better hand held āhigh rezā on the E-M5 III is nice, though Iāve heard the build quality is a little more plasticy. Personal preference reallyā¦ .it does reduce weight a bit. As for image qualityā¦ I have been very happy with my results. This is one of the first cameras where Iāve been mostly happy with the JPEGs that come directly out of camera. I still shoot RAW+JPEG but I find myself only editing occasionally when sharing which is nice.
Donāt get me wrong, the stuff that comes out of sony SLR style cameras is really good. They definitely do some good stuff in their sensors. And if you get their G series lenses, they are very niceā¦ but expensive. Youāve just mentioned the size and carry weight a bit and Iāve fixated on that. When Iām out birding, I always run into other people as wellā¦ and the rigs that people are carrying for sony, nikon, and canon are all the same size. A lot of people carrying 150-600 or 100-400 lensesā¦ and theyāre huge. That was one of the motivations for wanting a second camera and adding some M43 into my lineup.
One of the things that I have done with camera and lens purchases is go to flickr. You can search hashtags by item name. So when I was looking for M43 I was comparing the omd em5 ii vs the lumix gx8ā¦ so I just searched for those and youāll get a bunch of real world photos that people have taken to see what things looked like. Same thing for lensesā¦ searching for a lens make and modelā¦ and youāll see that lens how it looks on multiple different bodies. A good quick way to compare a lot of real world stuff and not the clinical shots that reviewers use. Both are useful.
The advice Iāve always received, and it makes sense to me, is pick a lens system. Lenses hold value and last longer than camera bodies, especially with digital. So if there is a system that has a lot of lenses you like and options (seriously fck canon and their no 3rd party rules) it makes sense to get those and get a body to match.
Good luck on the search. Try not to let the spec overload get to youā¦ at the end of the day most cameras are pretty good these days. Once youāve narrowed to some of the better ones, anything you choose will likely make you happy. :)
āeditā Added a full rez image from the first day I had the EM5II taken with the 14-42mm kit lens. Unedited JPEG out of camera just so you can see the detail, as that was a concern you voiced.
Yes, I can totally see someone owning a GX8/85 and an E-M1X and pushing both to their full potential with interchangeable lenses, taking advantage of individual strengths. Should be really fun to just grab whatever fits in your bag and bring it with you.
I also understand that the size difference between Sony full frame and Olympus M43 is ridiculous, despite bodies being the same size, if you consider the whole setup. I do own one of those huge full frame DSLR super telephoto lenses, and it isnāt exactly easy to shoot handheld. Doable, but less forgiving than a lighter setup. Moreover, I restrict its usage to birding almost exclusively, since it is a pain to carry that lens around. Iām sure image quality would be amazing if I had a nice full frame (or higher-end cropped) body to take full advantage of the lens for birding in challenging light, but I canāt help but wonder if I would bring the smaller (M43) telephoto lens with me more often if I had one. Especially so if I take into account those situations where I am not ājust birdingā, but walking around or hiking and I happen to spot cool birds that Iād love to photograph.
I like the flickr advice. I will check it out for sure. It should be especially helpful when comparing similar cameras. From what Iāve seen online from other sources, Sony in particular crushes M43 for low light video, but I havenāt noticed much of a difference in stills. I guess nowadays it all boils down to personal preference. Camera Conspiracies has talked about full frame vs M43 in good light and in low light. Even though he is sometimes hard to follow due to his sarcastic style, I found those videos to be a great resource.
Also, thank you for sharing that picture! Honestly, the high resolution mode looks great to me, I would have nothing to complain about it. I might actually consider a lower-end camera to start experimenting with another system, as another fellow commenter suggested I should do for Sony (to get an A6000).
Heh yeahā¦ my supertelephoto is a commitment. I only carry it when I know that wildlife photos are what Iām doing. Ended up getting a monopod and a peak designs slide strap to help mitigate some of the weight. So I can sling it over my shoulder and carry it on my back now which helps. Highly recommend their strap system stuff if you havenāt tried itā¦ definitely lived up to the hype for me. I kept wanting another interchangeable lens camera for other days so M43 seemed like a good choice for my use case.
Youāre talking about wanting to do low light and particularly low light videoā¦ the newer sony stuff will just about blow anyone else away. Iāve heard good stuff about the panasonicās newer stuffā¦ but sony is known for that. From what Iāve seen the quality of their sensor noise when it does start showing is more pleasantā¦ more impulse noise than colorā¦ so youāll get salt and pepper noise which looks more like old film grain which can make things look more cinematic even.
If you want to compare dynamic range and usable ISO, DXOmark has lots and lots of charts for that sort of thing. I wouldnāt take their stuff as the end all be allā¦ read it more like a spec sheet so you can compare two different things. https://www.dxomark.com/sony-a6000-sensor-review-little-wonder/
The a6xxx series definitely sits at a reasonable price point for the bodies. IDK that much about their lenses or prices for thatā¦ but it does look like you could get a body for $300-600 on mpb in excellent condition. I have heard good things about the a6xxx series as well, so it could very well be a good jumping in point if you wanted to get into their ecosystem. Looks like DPReview did a few videos about that series of camerasā¦ Iād check those out for sure. They like to split their videos into several sectionsā¦ and have equal time for stills and video which will give a really good rundown of things usually.
My next purchase if I were to keep the super telephoto would definitely be a big tripod/monopod combo. But I just sent it to KEH to fund the new body and lenses Iām getting. Letās see how it goes. Thanks for the Peak Design strap recommendation. I have the clip and quick release anchor links, and I must say I love both accessories. Iāll make sure to check out the strap on my next trip to REI.
Regarding shooting video, there are basically two situations where I use the video mode:
Recording birds when itās early or late in the day. For that, I would need low light performance. But even if the image is noisy, who cares. It bothers me more when my mic captures noise from other people around.
B-roll for my outdoor trips (biking, hiking, snow sports, etc) to complement my action camera stuff. My gopro sucks in low light anyway, so I donāt care if my B-roll video camera is going to suck as well. I shoot in 4K on it, so I feel like action videos with some cinematic depth of field from a mirrorless camera in 4K would look very nice as B-roll.
Actually, I just got back from my trip to the camera store to check out what they had available. I got to test Nikon, Sony, Olympus, and Panasonic. Basically all the camera models I had in mind.
In summary, I have ruled out all bigger camera bodies for now. So, Iāll have to pick between Sony A6x00 series, Panasonic GX or Olympus E-M5. Iāll follow your advice and think about it further after checking out what sources like DPReview have to say.
Included a picture of my 7D2 with 50mm next to my EM52 with 42mm to see the size difference āIRLā. Thought it might be a fun comparison.
I wish I had some more useful information about the video side of things but itās really not my thing. The a7 (starting with the 3 or 4 idr) have been touting the dual native ISO thing which would be applicable to your low light videoā¦ but youāre talking about the more expensive and slightly larger bodies.
A little of that is probably because itās what youāre used toā¦ but a big thing about those larger bodies is that they are made to be comfortable in the hand. One of the reasons I wanted to upgrade from a mid DSLR to a full DSLR was to that it felt better in my hand to hold especially with larger lenses on it. Itās always a trade off between ergonomics and size / weight. Something to consider is that many cameras have things you can add or change to adjust the ergonomics to a degree. The EM5 was just a tad too small for my hand but I got a little, inexpensive handle that adds like a centimeter to the bottom and a bit of a grip and now itās great to hold one handed. I wouldnāt buy something that you hated but thereās definitely things you can do to adjust them.
Yeahā¦ rangefinder style bodies are definitely going to feel more āportableā. You sacrifice some of the in hand ergonomics, but if you arenāt holding it for an hour or two straight staring at a bird waiting for it to do somethingā¦ itās less of an issue lol. One of the points between the olympus em5ii and the lumix gx8 I was tossing around was the body style. The rangefinder style does feel different and slim for an EDC sorta camera for sure.
The conversation about olympus vs panasonic circles around the lens stabilization a lot because they choose different methods and have evolved from that. On the older style cameras like my EM5II they chose to go with IBIS (full 5axis which has been really nice coming from a DSLR) so they donāt include any stabilization in their brand lenses. That means their lenses can be half the size and weight which is really cool. It also means I get some stabilization on manual 3rd party lenses which is nice. The newer panasonic like the G9II, IIRC, handle IBIS on non-first party lenses better than olympus in their current flagshipsā¦ but itās one of those things where you have to look at each one. The cool thing is that M43 is M43ā¦ while you might have a lenses and camera combo here and there that isnāt greatā¦ mostly theyāre interchangeable so you could get a small, cheap Olympus and later get a brand new panasonic and the lenses would still fit (which was my plan heh).
It might be worth considering having more than one camera as the end goal. I realized I wouldnāt get everything I wanted from one camera because having a large ergonomic dslr with nearly infinite battery lifeā¦ and a tiny light mirrorless were mutually exclusive. With used sites it has gotten a lot more reasonable to have a couple systems. It sounds like the sony is really appealing to you and if you were going to buy into two systems Sony and M43 would be a solid choice, IMHO. Youāre going to have a good selection of bodies and lenses on the sony side so you can get some nice lenses and then update bodies if you want to later on. Also with how popular their stuff is I would imaging you wouldnāt have a hard time selling your system if you changed your mind in a couple years either. M43 being an open standard has multiple manufacturers on board so it has a lot of good lens choices. There are some fun āartisticā lens makers like 7artisans and laowa making some interesting stuff and they usually make for sony and M43 so if you got into any of those your bases are covered.
I have heard those 3 choices recommended over and over online. I donāt think you can really go wrong with any of them. The video side is going to be the biggest sticky point with the older bodies. Even getting the EM5II I still kind of want a GX8ā¦ thereās a couple features I like and the body style is appealing. Iām beginning to see why all these camera youtubers have a wall of tiny cameras behind them lol. Alsoā¦ ālens acquisition syndromeā ā¦ the struggle is real haha.
If you decide you like that system it definitely has a few fun things you can attach to those clips. Iāve got those little red dots hanging off all my stuff now. I got a hand grip (see picture above) on my DSLR. I got the wrist strap for the EM5II. I got the full size āslideā for my DSLR. I am considering getting one of the smaller ones or the adapter clips for the EM5II. I love the ability to add and remove as I go depending on how and what I want to carry. If you go to their site, they sell directly as wellā¦ and more importantly they have a ālast callā for last years models that are being clearanced out as well as a certified and fully warrantied āpre-ownedā section. I have gotten some good deals from them and all the pre-owned stuff has looked brand new but half priced. https://www.peakdesign.com/
Ha, nice comparison between the huge Canon and the tiny Olympus.
Iāve definitely seen people selling bodies with those handles on Craigslist. From what Iāve noticed, they are pretty popular as a modular solution to improve handling. Iāll definitely look into getting one regardless of my ultimate choice, since it will be a small camera.
Also, Iām aware of the Olympus vs Panasonic IBIS stuff, it is definitely something Iām taking into consideration because I guess IBIS might be better than OIS in general for the reasons you mentioned. The GX8 has IBIS, but Iām sure it pales in comparison to the E-M5iii (5 axis). I agree that it is great to just be able to add a more powerful body (like the G9ii) to your setup without having to use different lenses. Big plus for M43, since thereās no difference in sensor size.
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This is what Iām starting to realize. Iām definitely inclined to try out both Sony and M43 because they both shine at their own individual strengths. As you said, a rangefinder-style body is very nice as an EDC, while a bigger SLR style camera would do well for shooting-only days. Itās great that you mention 7artisans and Laowa, those look like a lot of fun to me, definitely one of the reasons I want to switch to mirrorless.
At the moment, Iām trying to decide between Sony A6x00 (A6100 or A6400), or M43, either GX8 or E-M5iii. My local shop has a used GX8 available that I will probably check out. If I were to get a Sony or Olympus, it would have to be through MPB or UsedPhotoPro due to availability. Iāll think about it and make a decision. My starting point would be one of the three options below:
Plus one budget telephoto for whatever ākitā I end up deciding to get. But Iām definitely inclined to invest in both systems in the long term.
About Peak Design,
Thatās a great tip! I didnāt know that was a thing. Iām browsing their pre-owned section now, thatās actually amazing. Thank you for sharing!
Well, now I guess Iāll start considering those three options and I might update the post once I have a more informed opinion. Iām not too worried because Iām sure all those three options are great cameras. Iāll watch some videos and look at the side-by-side specs comparison spreadsheet more carefully.
I have this lens for my EM5ii and it is quite sharp and tiny af. Thatās whatās showing in that picture I posted, if you hadnāt noticed. It extends when in use about 2x but still small. I have mixed feelings about the EZ portion of it but overall itās a really nice little lens for just wandering around. With the crop factor itās a 28-84mm which is a nice range for just an all around lens to do landscape, street, portrait. That bee photo I posted was that lensā¦ the MFD is like 9 inches.
I grabbed a couple videos comparing the mark ii and the mark iii from some more M43 focused youtubers that Iāve liked just to give some comparison for you talking about those specific cameras.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biOmDEROWJ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh96vJ5MQEU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bid2fAIxkNY
I was looking for a lumix GX8 but a couple big deciding factors for me were: better IBIS, weather sealing, and price. I could find the EM5II for 400ishā¦ but the GX8 was staying around 600.
I donāt know sony line-up at all really. The M43 side has some really cheap (even brand new) zooms that are well reviewed. a lot of the 40ish-140ish range (before 2x). Kind of puts you into that 70-300mm equivalency which is a really solid āwalk around and take some wildlife picturesā sorta lens for meā¦ and these are like the size of a soda can! Keep debating just getting oneā¦ bhphoto has them new for like $130 on a sale right nowā¦ mpb has been sitting around 80-100 in āexcellentā condition. Only reason I havenāt is because I have those telephotos for my canon and it feels silly to duplicate heh.
Absolutely. :) I kept hearing how good the peak design āslideā was and vacillated for a long time because of the price. Glad I jumped on it though, Iāve been really happy. I have a ton of their stuff now and I love how they use that same quick connector and always give you a couple more than you need for putting on other stuff. They even sell a pack now of just the latch system so you can use it to adapt existing camera straps if you want for a cheaper alternative, which is kinda cool.
Something else I was going to bring upā¦ there are a lot of camera and lens rental shops aroundā¦ depending on prices you might be able to rent something to test out if they keep it in stock. Might be that these cameras are too oldā¦ IDK.
Another thing is you might find after a year of using that this or that feature is lacking or unused or whatever. I didnāt think I needed a smaller camera for a while but I find myself this year wanting to just walk in the park with a little camera some days which spurred me on. You might find that you just enjoy whatever one you want and then want to fill the gaps with something else. These āused but checked and warrantiedā sites like mpg et al really put my mind at east buying used gear so I felt like a lot of the pressure of price was eased.