The difference is that the short man in the suit has professional liability insurance.
If someone tries some dumb shit and gets a pavement facial Moama can almost certainly beat an assault charge, but civil injury claims are notoriously bad if you’re rich. An ambulance chaser will offer to take the case for free and be such a pest that its worth $100k to Moama to make him fuck off.
The little guy can sit there in court, dispassionately explaining that he felt his client was in danger and let the ambulance chaser argue with an insurance company (and we all know how much they love cutting cheques).
Also sure, Mamoa is a big guy and fit, but he’s an actor, right? Not a fighter?
It’s kind of like how Nick Offerman said in an interview once. Everyone sees him as this manly man because of the roles he plays and because he wood-works. But he’s from a real “country” family. A rural farming community where everyone was self-sufficient and real “manly” men type. He’s the one who wanted to be an actor who never has to work with his hands again.
What I’m saying is those men have jobs where they protect people from physical violence with physical violence. Jason Mamoa pretends to hit people on camera.
Lol right, every time I see all these macho guys on camera and in the press, I remember the kids in drama club in highschool. These are those kids grown up
Yeah IDK about that, I don’t think you can act a fake fight convincingly without having at least some actual skill. The moves they use are always derived from actual martial arts, the only difference is that your partner knows ahead of time what’s going to happen and how to react, and you don’t hit them to hurt. But I’m pretty sure you could figure that part out pretty easily if push comes to shove.
As long as he’s fighting an untrained opponent who’s shorter than him, my money would be on Mamoa. And even if he’s trained I’d still bet on him unless we’re talking about one of the Gracie’s.
I’ve taken H2H, rapier, short sword and shield, sword and dagger and a few other stage combat classes in both UK and US — and then in production you usually just get “any old sword” (usually a heavy one, as Tybalt in R&J they gave me this really fancy grip with a finger hole for my index, but it made supranative positions difficult)
You’re right in that they are based on real combat — you learn fencing footwork and guards, but also you’re learning a mix of slight of hand (how to “knap” - fake the sound of hitting /being hit while reacting like its real), and safety instructions. As someone who came from ballroom to jazz/modern dance to acting, it’s more like dance, especially freeform contact improv dance, than it is like actual fighting.
I imagine in real fights-to-the-death there’s a lot less concern about safety, distancing and the lines your body draws in movement, and more about hurting the other fellow as efficiently as possible.
to clarify, I meant it looks and feels like contact improv (the so-named discipline of dance, not to be confused with improv comedy etc) not that it was improvised.
I mean, I figure you gotta have good hand/eye coordination, sufficiently swift movement, and relatively good accuracy as well so as not to unintentionally hurt the other guy by actually landing a punch correctly.
It would seem that the only difference between fight acting and actually fighting is where you aim and with what intention. And while that might become somewhat of a habit that can be difficult to break, I imagine getting a good punch to the face would snap you out of it pretty quickly.
not a huge expert so people might offer better context or explanation here. I just know enough to be in Shakespeare, really so -
in a way, yes, but also - how often does pronation-prime into moulinet into brisé occur in real life? but you see it a lot in fight choreo. it’s entirely theatrical. Same for the amount of banderole cuts you see (looking at you - The Witcher!) - when in reality the vast amount of blood drawn would be from the thighs and shoulders as most guards protect the trunk and head.
then comparing “real” fighting to fencing - depending on the weapon things like legs and head aren’t point-scoring contacts so nobody attacks them in the sport. in real life, you wouldn’t hesitate to cut at someone’s head.
H2H experts might chime in here but I imagine a straight up punch to the nose is a lot less successful in real life compared to movies for example…
Of course it makes a difference whether you’re pretending or doing for real, but what I’m saying is that pretending is already half of the battle.
Boxers don’t just spar in the ring all day, they practice shadow boxing to get their moves right. Other martial arts have katas or training forms for the same purpose. Those are all forms of pretend fighting, with the purpose of training correct body mechanics.
I would assume for instance, that when you’re stage fighting, you probably still throw your whole body into a punch so that it looks like it would hurt even though it doesn’t connect. If you’re just flailing your arms like a grade schooler on his first day at the playground, you’re just not going to convince anybody.
And if you can pull of a convincing haymaker and purposefully not hit the other guy’s face, you’re literally six inches away from doing so, which is miles ahead of anyone who hasn’t practiced at all. All you gotta do is adjust your aim a little, and not immediately give up if you do get hit back. But with a guy the size of Mamoa I’m not too worried about the latter.
all fair points but one final thing I would say is that taking a hit from someone going for you is an important part in training. That’s why you always see that scene where the young padawan or trainee etc is beaten by the old Master.
In fight choreo getting really hit means everyone slams on the breaks immediately. It’s no good knowing all the moves if the moment someone is on par with you you’ve never experienced taking a hit before — no matter how much protein and reps you do.
If a crazy fan rushes him for a hug, you dont know if they have a knife. It sounds outlandish but Monica Seles was stabbed by a deranged fan of her rival in 1992 in the middle of a tennis match. Nutcases happen. So he pushes them away, no harder than you or I would if some rando rushes us for a hug. They trip, fall and “hurt their back”.
Now he has an assault allegation on a woman a foot and a half shorter than him who just wanted to get a photo with him and he looks like an enormous asshole. Now that charge wont go anywhere in court because its essentially baseless, but a civil judgement over wether or not he is responsible for her injury is another story.
Do you think an insurance company would charge you the same as a celebrity? You sit around the house where a Cheeto in the windpipe is the most dangerous thing you encounter.
The difference is that the short man in the suit has professional liability insurance.
If someone tries some dumb shit and gets a pavement facial Moama can almost certainly beat an assault charge, but civil injury claims are notoriously bad if you’re rich. An ambulance chaser will offer to take the case for free and be such a pest that its worth $100k to Moama to make him fuck off.
The little guy can sit there in court, dispassionately explaining that he felt his client was in danger and let the ambulance chaser argue with an insurance company (and we all know how much they love cutting cheques).
So you’re saying their job is to protect Mamoa from the law and others from him.
Also sure, Mamoa is a big guy and fit, but he’s an actor, right? Not a fighter?
It’s kind of like how Nick Offerman said in an interview once. Everyone sees him as this manly man because of the roles he plays and because he wood-works. But he’s from a real “country” family. A rural farming community where everyone was self-sufficient and real “manly” men type. He’s the one who wanted to be an actor who never has to work with his hands again.
What I’m saying is those men have jobs where they protect people from physical violence with physical violence. Jason Mamoa pretends to hit people on camera.
Lol right, every time I see all these macho guys on camera and in the press, I remember the kids in drama club in highschool. These are those kids grown up
Apparently he practices Brazilian jiu-jitsu. I don’t know how good he is, but yes, he apparently is a fighter as well as an actor.
Yeah IDK about that, I don’t think you can act a fake fight convincingly without having at least some actual skill. The moves they use are always derived from actual martial arts, the only difference is that your partner knows ahead of time what’s going to happen and how to react, and you don’t hit them to hurt. But I’m pretty sure you could figure that part out pretty easily if push comes to shove.
As long as he’s fighting an untrained opponent who’s shorter than him, my money would be on Mamoa. And even if he’s trained I’d still bet on him unless we’re talking about one of the Gracie’s.
I’ve taken H2H, rapier, short sword and shield, sword and dagger and a few other stage combat classes in both UK and US — and then in production you usually just get “any old sword” (usually a heavy one, as Tybalt in R&J they gave me this really fancy grip with a finger hole for my index, but it made supranative positions difficult)
You’re right in that they are based on real combat — you learn fencing footwork and guards, but also you’re learning a mix of slight of hand (how to “knap” - fake the sound of hitting /being hit while reacting like its real), and safety instructions. As someone who came from ballroom to jazz/modern dance to acting, it’s more like dance, especially freeform contact improv dance, than it is like actual fighting.
I imagine in real fights-to-the-death there’s a lot less concern about safety, distancing and the lines your body draws in movement, and more about hurting the other fellow as efficiently as possible.
I wouldn’t even use the word improv. Movie fight scenes are heavily choreographed and usually only one hit is shot at a time anyway.
to clarify, I meant it looks and feels like contact improv (the so-named discipline of dance, not to be confused with improv comedy etc) not that it was improvised.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks.
So you’re saying there’s a chance?
I mean, I figure you gotta have good hand/eye coordination, sufficiently swift movement, and relatively good accuracy as well so as not to unintentionally hurt the other guy by actually landing a punch correctly.
It would seem that the only difference between fight acting and actually fighting is where you aim and with what intention. And while that might become somewhat of a habit that can be difficult to break, I imagine getting a good punch to the face would snap you out of it pretty quickly.
not a huge expert so people might offer better context or explanation here. I just know enough to be in Shakespeare, really so -
in a way, yes, but also - how often does pronation-prime into moulinet into brisé occur in real life? but you see it a lot in fight choreo. it’s entirely theatrical. Same for the amount of banderole cuts you see (looking at you - The Witcher!) - when in reality the vast amount of blood drawn would be from the thighs and shoulders as most guards protect the trunk and head.
then comparing “real” fighting to fencing - depending on the weapon things like legs and head aren’t point-scoring contacts so nobody attacks them in the sport. in real life, you wouldn’t hesitate to cut at someone’s head.
H2H experts might chime in here but I imagine a straight up punch to the nose is a lot less successful in real life compared to movies for example…
Of course it makes a difference whether you’re pretending or doing for real, but what I’m saying is that pretending is already half of the battle.
Boxers don’t just spar in the ring all day, they practice shadow boxing to get their moves right. Other martial arts have katas or training forms for the same purpose. Those are all forms of pretend fighting, with the purpose of training correct body mechanics.
I would assume for instance, that when you’re stage fighting, you probably still throw your whole body into a punch so that it looks like it would hurt even though it doesn’t connect. If you’re just flailing your arms like a grade schooler on his first day at the playground, you’re just not going to convince anybody.
And if you can pull of a convincing haymaker and purposefully not hit the other guy’s face, you’re literally six inches away from doing so, which is miles ahead of anyone who hasn’t practiced at all. All you gotta do is adjust your aim a little, and not immediately give up if you do get hit back. But with a guy the size of Mamoa I’m not too worried about the latter.
all fair points but one final thing I would say is that taking a hit from someone going for you is an important part in training. That’s why you always see that scene where the young padawan or trainee etc is beaten by the old Master.
In fight choreo getting really hit means everyone slams on the breaks immediately. It’s no good knowing all the moves if the moment someone is on par with you you’ve never experienced taking a hit before — no matter how much protein and reps you do.
No.
If a crazy fan rushes him for a hug, you dont know if they have a knife. It sounds outlandish but Monica Seles was stabbed by a deranged fan of her rival in 1992 in the middle of a tennis match. Nutcases happen. So he pushes them away, no harder than you or I would if some rando rushes us for a hug. They trip, fall and “hurt their back”.
Now he has an assault allegation on a woman a foot and a half shorter than him who just wanted to get a photo with him and he looks like an enormous asshole. Now that charge wont go anywhere in court because its essentially baseless, but a civil judgement over wether or not he is responsible for her injury is another story.
Can’t Mamoa just get a regular liability insurance for such cases?
Probably, but why? For the same price he can someone else deal with all the bullshit.
Part of being rich is not dealing with all the bullshit.
My liability insurance costs like 3€ a month. Far less than a security guard. Are liability insurances that much more expensive in the US?
Do you think an insurance company would charge you the same as a celebrity? You sit around the house where a Cheeto in the windpipe is the most dangerous thing you encounter.