• Grayox@lemmy.mlOP
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      People are starving every damn day under Capitalism and there is no famine going on. This isn’t the dunk you think it is.

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        No it isn’t, but it does highlight the main issue:

        Communism would work if it weren’t for people trying to co-opt it for power

        Fully Automated Luxury Space Communism is the end goal (since, it being automated, means there should effectively be no way to hijack it), but we ain’t getting there for a long time. Let’s go for socialism first and work from there

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          Communism would work if it weren’t for people trying to co-opt it for power

          As long as there exists a way to gain power over others, someone will do it. That’s just the reality of our nature, unfortunately.

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              This goes into a fight over philosophy of human nature. However, since the days of the Roman republic over 2000 years ago where capitalism wasn’t even a concept, people have used political systems to consolidate and gain power over others. It is undoubtabele that there will be people who try to co-opt the system for their personal gain

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                That’s just human nature unfortunately. We like to help one another and hate to see another human being suffering because we know that could be us. But capitalism has conditioned and limited us out of our human nature to help one another, because either there is no profit in helping the poor or destitute, or we lack the means to help.

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                  That’s such a wide eyed idealistic view of the world. Let’s all come together and sing kumbaya.

                  All people throughout history have always tried to just help each other out, right?

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                    Its a realistic view of humanity, not a realistic view of the world we have allowed the greediest among us to create. You should read The Dawn of Everything A New History of Humanity, it goes extreme in depth to explain just how wrong your nihilistic view in humanity is, cooperation is the norm, what Capitalism has created is the anomaly.

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                    People are products of the environment. These influence the ideas people have, who then shape their environment which in turn further influences the ideas people have.

                    Being conditioned by the material conditions of Capitalism is the opposite of Idealism, it’s Materialism.

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        I’ve been to Capitalist countries, I’ve been to Communist countries.

        Guess which system has their people immigrating to the other system on rafts with their children, just to try the other system. Guess which system builds walls to keep people IN, guess which system has beggars asking for milk for their children instead of money.

        Your comment isn’t the dunk you think it is when it brushes up against the harsh truth that is reality.

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      Those famines happened every 10 years before communism, they happened ONCE during in each location and not again since.

      In the meantime capitalism had that death total due to forced starvation every 7 years on average.

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      Socialism is usually built from the remains of a previous brutal regime. Starvation doesn’t end overnight.

      This is the case for both Russia and China. After stabilizing they had an unprecedented improvement in nutrition, longevity and such.

      The same can’t be said for the vast majority of capitalist states, who still experience starvation despite being perfectly capable of feeding everyone.