During the 2022 midterms, Voces de la Frontera Action poured its resources into mobilizing support for Democrats at the ballot box, with volunteer members directly contacting nearly 30,000 voters in their network and reaching 30,000 more through phone-banking and door-knocking, according to the organization. In 2020, Voces supported Biden’s presidential run.
Now, the group has turned its efforts toward promoting the Uninstructed campaign with mailers, door-knocking and social media promotion.
…in the primary. This headline is highly misleading.
This article is talking about the same activism that has been seen in other Democratic primaries this season. Asking people to vote against Biden in the primary in order to send a message to that they are not happy with the situation in Gaza. They are NOT suggesting people vote for Trump over Biden in the general election.
That would be absolute lunacy seeing as Trump has offered Israel his full support in their Gaza campaign and said he would do the same thing in their shoes. He said in an interview, “You have to finish up your war. To finish it up. You gotta get it done." He also actually said Israel’s mistake wasn’t the bombings in Gaza but the release of the pictures of the bombings. Sure blow up hospitals, but keep it a secret.
“I wanted to call [Israel] and say don’t do it. These photos and shots. I mean, moving shots of bombs being dropped into buildings in Gaza. And I said, ‘Oh, that’s a terrible portrait. It’s a very bad picture for the world. The world is seeing this,’”
Only a complete idiot would choose Trump over Biden because of the Gaza situation. Trump would happily give Israel all the support they needed to wipe out the Palestinian people.
If Biden keeps sending weapons to Israel while it systematically starves 2 million people, you and him are going to be in for a nasty surprise come November. I will not vote for genocide, and there are thousands of other democrats who feel the same way.
So instead you’re going to support the guy who wants to actively help Israel wipe out the Palestinian people. Yeah, that makes sense. 0.o
Have you been under a rock the past 6 months? That’s precisely what Biden has been doing. And no, I’m not voting for Trump, either. There are candidates running who aren’t genocidal ghouls.
I read this with a little bit of skepticism… like okay let me provisionally accept this, criticizing Biden over Gaza is absolutely just and right, and there absolutely is a divide between the establishment left and the “rank and file” in terms of how they see the issue, and he’s losing support because of it. And at the same time, I’m reading this wondering whether it’s a genuine article about the issue or just an excuse to throw shade at Biden and bring a little anti-union shade into the equation also.
Most unions (management or not) are heavily anti-genocide, with little bits of disagreement about how far to go with it (e.g. whether to divest from all weapons production work that might help Israel). Most unions (management or not) are heavily pro-Biden for obvious reasons. I would describe the divide as a little bit less “management vs rank and file” than it is “do we care so much about Gaza that we’d erode support our favored candidate because of it.” (And there’s a pretty good argument that they should care to that extent; I’m just saying that’s more where the divide lies, with most deciding to support him anyway.)
Here’s my take on what I discovered in the article as my way of answering what was the goal of the article:
Instead of adopting an increasingly rightwing rhetoric and policy toward immigration, Neumann-Ortiz said, Biden should use his executive authority to expand protections for undocumented immigrants and campaign on protections for immigrants that his administration has implemented – like a 2023 measure the Department of Homeland Security quietly passed to protect non-citizen workers whose workplace rights have been violated from deportation.
“You’re not going to win those Trump supporters, but you are definitely eroding and alienating your own base,” said Neumann-Ortiz.
This year, Biden has touted legislation to crack down on the southern border and limit the number of asylum seekers accepted on a daily basis there
Here’s a summary of Biden’s immigration changes. Not listed in that is the fact that he formed a task force to find the families of all those separated children who were just loose kicking around in the system growing up in hell after Trump’s family separation policy, and tried to reunite them with their families. Maybe the sum total number of people impacted by that is small, but to me that perfectly encapsulates the difference in humanity in Biden’s immigration policy versus Trump’s and the current Republicans.
Sure, you can give him a hard time because while trying to work out a deal to get desperately-needed aid to Ukraine, he adopted some of the rhetoric of his opponents and offered them way more than he should have, in terms of conceding to the terrible things they want to do at the border, to try to bargain for help for millions of other non-Americans who were at risk of dying somewhere else in the world. Using that hard time as an argument for why he affirmatively wants to do bad things on immigration, and a reason to give more power to the opponents instead of to him, is very very clearly a whole bunch of nonsense.
, and even used the pejorative “illegal” in his State of the Union address.
Blow me. Be fair if you’re going to give criticism; don’t do this way, or it’s going to make me look at the whole rest of your article like “wtf what are you tryin to pull man.”
You don’t have an issue with Biden calling immigrants “illegals”?
REPRESENTATIVE GREENE: What about Laken Riley?
(Cross-talk.)
AUDIENCE: Booo —
REPRESENTATIVE GREENE: Say her name!
THE PRESIDENT: (The President holds up a pin reading “Say Her Name, Laken Riley.”) Lanken — Lanken (Laken) Riley, an innocent young woman who was killed.
REPRESENTATIVE GREENE: By an illegal!
THE PRESIDENT: By an illegal. That’s right. But how many of thousands of people are being killed by legals?
I have no problem with anything he said there, no; and if you do, I would say that you’re deliberately making an issue from nothing of substance, in very Republican fashion.
I have family who are undocumented, and yes, I do have an issue with what he said. They are not “illegals.” It betrays the same lack of caring that manifests in policy as Migrant children in open-air desert camps are suffering from hunger and hypothermia, court documents say and ‘No good options’: Biden admin has no plans to change how it treats Haitian migrants despite outrage from advocates. Replace “illegal” with any other pejorative ethnic term and maybe you’ll understand. It’s seriously not cool, which is why he walked it back later.
The Guardian wrote:
Democrats and immigrant rights organizations said Biden’s use of “illegal” was dehumanizing. The Illinois congresswoman Delia Ramirez said she was “disappointed” in Biden’s use of what she called “dehumanizing rightwing rhetoric” to describe immigrants. “No human being is illegal,” Ramirez said. Another Illinois representative, Chuy García, added: “As a proud immigrant, I’m extremely disappointed to hear President Biden use the world “illegal”.
The National Immigrant Justice Center called the term “words [from] anti-immigrant extremists”, adding: “Manipulating a personal tragedy for political gain in this way is dangerous. Conflating immigration status with criminality is racist and dehumanizing.”
But u/mozz says it’s nothing, so I guess we just need to eat shit and shut up. At least Biden had the decency to admit he was wrong.
I’ve had friends who were undocumented. One was actually in and out of custody before the Obama-era immigration reforms came along; long story short he was able to stay in the country. I still remember talking with people about how to get up bail money to get him out, and him talking about a bunch of things about being in jail in a not-real-friendly part of the country.
I don’t believe you. I think you’re lying to justify your grandstanding. I already sent you a pretty long list of what Biden has done factually on immigration. Seizing on him quoting back to someone hateful, a hateful word that they used, in order to make a point back to them, and spending any amount of energy saying that means anything, is a bunch of bullshit. That’s actually one reason I don’t believe you – I’ve seen people in this community who take the viewpoint that all US politicians are basically the enemy with no particular reason to pick good ones or bad ones or get excited about this Fox News bullshit about any of them, and I’ve seen people who actually study in detail what’s going on factually, but doing this Judge Judy level determinations of who it is that’s good and bad on immigration policy and then getting all excited about it, I haven’t seen too much of except from outsiders to the community.
It’s not even like this is a random position only seen on Lemmy from perpetual detractors. The person you’re responding to literally gave you quotes from Latino public figures and advocacy organizations. But yeah, your
blackundocumented friend totally makes you a convincing authority on which immigrant rights positions are coming from the community.I make no claim to authority; I’m explaining what I think and why, including why I think juicy is lying. Maybe my experience with probably-shills has made me jaded but that’s what I think.
You’re obviously within your rights to think that Ramirez, Chuy García, or the Immigrant Justice Center are right and I am wrong about why Biden said “illegal”. I think the transcript speaks for itself and I think they’re being foolish and self-defeating if they’re falling into the trap of attacking him over it.
It’s not a matter of whether they’re right, it’s a direct contradiction to your insinuation that this is a fake sentiment coming from “outside the community”. And those weren’t even the Latino only congressmembers who objected to it.
Maybe cool off on the “he’s lying” when you’re trying to claim that a pretty well recognized anger over a Democratic president adopting conservative framing and policy for the border is astroturfing using “I had a friend” as your justification.
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I have family who are undocumented
I’ve had friends who were undocumented.
Corporate needs you to find the differences between this picture and this picture.
Actually, let me rephrase:
I have family who are undocumented
Because of friendships I’ve had with people who would be particularly and intensely vulnerable under a Trump presidency, including some who were directly impacted in life-changing ways by Obama “deporter in chief”'s specific reforms, this particular type of bad-faith effort to claim Biden is bad on immigration is particularly infuriating to me. Coupled with your claim to have authority to speak on it because you allegedly have a direct association with a vulnerable person, it led me to feel it’s relevant to tell you that I actually have one of the associations you’re alleging (unconvincingly, to me). So if we’re going to claim that that gives extra authority to speak on it, then yes, I have that authority too.
There we go! Now they’re different pictures.
(Side note, I will say – Zaktor’s point about being connected to an immigrant community being in no way a guarantee that your opinions on this kind of thing will be good ones, is actually a pretty fair argument. So maybe it’s unfair for me to say that I’m skeptical that you have undocumented family solely because of the opinion you’re expressing here.)
I deleted my comment after I saw your exchange with Zaktor. I didn’t mean to beat a dead horse. Props to you for hearing him out.
Biden is legitimately bad on immigration. See the articles I cited above. He’s just better than Trump. He’s a lot better than Trump, to the point that it is not easy to withdraw my support because of his support of genocide. I am truly fearful of the consequences for my family of another Trump term. But whatever happens to us, it will be a mere inconvenience next to what families in Gaza are suffering.
I have family who are undocumented
I’ve had friends who were undocumented.
Corporate needs you to find the differences between this picture and this picture.
