A couple hours before I was on the edge of getting a Fairphone 5 but I read the specifications and didnāt see 3.5 mm audio jack anywhere. So I thought to myselfā¦why? The community has been requesting this for a couple years ago now so why not. Theyāre already making money on the phone, theyāre really pushing for people to get their wireless headphones? Just add the headphone jack, shouldnāt be too hard.
They said theyāre treating their workers fairly, sourcing from ethical sources, renewable claims, repairability claims, and supporting foss projects (they donated a fp4 to CalyxOS to support development). All of these are amazing, so adding a little headphone jack shouldnāt be that hard in the grand scheme of all this.
*Add the headphone jack and Iāll be happy to support and get a fp5.
Wow, thatās a bold statement. After a quick ddg:
So yeah, āmost people donāt listen to music on their phonesā is only true in the sense that most people in the world donāt own a phone. Lots and lots of people actually do it. I think youāre looking at yourself and thinking that everyone is using a phone the same way you do. In reality people were used to just plugging their headphones into heir phone and now they canāt. New standard was pushed on them and the only reason was to make some extra money on AirPods. Are the phones without mini jack cheaper? No. Are the USB headphones better? No. So yeah, people will move on in the end but they are right to complain. If we donāt companies will just do it again.
If you think that it is a bold statement you absolutely live in a bubbleā¦
Most people in the world do own a phoneā¦ About 75% of the global populationā¦ Itās just that most use it to access the internet, write mails or, you know, call peopleā¦
As your study says, young people do listen to music on their phones. It even surprises me a bit that they only listen to 44% of their music on their phone, but otherwise, no objection. But not every smartphone user is a young personā¦ And even those that do use their phone to listen to music, not all of them listen with headphones. Many use it to play music in their car, or connect it to speakers, or even use their built in speakers, etc.
I used to, but the thing is, I do actually listen to music on my phone. Not as much as I used to, but I still do from time to time. And many in my immediate environment do too. But overtime, I realized that most people donāt use their phone the same way I do, especially older people and non-technical savy people. Most listen to music in their car, or on the radio.
In reality, most people simply did not really care very muchā¦ And more importantly, virtually nobody cares todayā¦
Correct, and virtually everyone just shrugged and accepted it because most people did not care all that muchā¦
My dude, people have already moved on years agoā¦ Apple removed the jack in 2017ā¦ Which is why I think itās ridiculous that people still act as if this is a controversial issue, let alone a dealbreaker, looking towards the futureā¦
OK, so a quoter of all music consumed everywhere is consumed on the phone but you still claim that people donāt use phones for music. I mean, if thatās your point of view then obviously you will say that nothing related to music on phones matters. If you ignore all the people that care about an issue you will conclude that no one cares. Even though obviolsy a lot of people still careā¦
But I have never claimed that āpeople donāt use phones for musicā, I claimed that most people donāt use their phone to listen to music on their headphonesā¦ Many do, me included, but most simply donātā¦
But I donāt conclude that nobody caresā¦ Obviously at least some people care, this post was made by somebody who does for exampleā¦ But the thing is that a majority of people donātā¦
You keep making the same point: majority/most people didnāt care so itās ok. I get it. You have a different standard. If a corporation can get away with something because most people will still blindly buy itās product itās ok for them to do it. But for me what Apple did was wrong. Mini jack was not obsolete, significant (for me, I know not significant enough for you) number of people were still using it and their decision didnāt result in a better or cheaper product. It just made them more money while removing important feature for a lot of people (again, I know, not enough for you to care). And I simply try not to reward such behavior. Even you admitted they only did it for profit, not to deliver better product but you just donāt care. Thatās fine, just donāt criticize people that do care. It costs as little to protest (by avoiding companies that do the same) and weāll do it as long as we can.
You made a claim that I wrote something I didnāt write, do you expect me to just let you put words into my mouth?
The vast majority of people interested in the fairphone have āa different standardāā¦
Ok, great, you have an opinion. An opinion I can completely understand. What does it have to do with this post though?
It wasnāt. But itās not 2017 anymoreā¦
Of course they did, why else would they do it, they are a company.
I will criticize whoever I want because itās fucking annoying to have the self-rightous jack defenders pretend martyrers proudly proclaim that they will sacrifice themself and not buy the newest fairphone because āfairphone went against community demandsā and act as if they are the majority and represent the views of āthe communityā IN 2023ā¦
They donātā¦ Most people in the fairphone community didnāt care about the jack back when it was removedā¦ Most members of the community preferred a slimmer phone to a headphone jack back when the last fairphone was released. And despite of this, you still had some loud-mouths who acted as if their opinions alone represent āthe communityā, ignored all the discussion in the community and claimed that fairphone acted against community interest.
And as āa member of the fairphone communityā, I didnāt say anything, like most who donāt care about the jack, because I donāt care about the jack, I care about being able to change parts, I care about it lasting for many years and I care about it being small enough to fit in my pocket comfortably.
That was years ago, back when the fairphone decided to do this. And now, the upcoming model doesnāt bring it back (to the surprise of virtually nobody) and you have the same wannabe martyrers saying stuff like ājust bring it back, how hard can it be, the community demands itāā¦ No, the community doesnāt demand itā¦ The community demands a modular and long lasting phone that is slim and cheap at the same timeā¦
Do whatever pointless posturing you want, just donāt act as if you are in the majority or represent all of a community when you donātā¦
What I mean that youāre only point is āyouāre not the majority so shut upā. Youāre confusing this with some zero-sum game. Me having a mini jack in the phone doesnāt mean that you, a person that doesnāt care about one, is somehow disadvantaged. There still are flagship phones with mini jacks. Those phones are not bigger or more expensive. You agreed already that Apple didnāt remove the mini jack to make the phone smaller, it was just to make more money. Itās the same 7 years later, people still donāt believe itās for any other reason than to make a little bit more money. Ok, so youāre a docile consumer. When company does something you donāt like you just say 'well, Iām in the minority, I will still just buy it without complaining". Thatās ok, do you. Itās just weird youāre so annoyed with people who do complain, especially on lemmy. Linux has ~3% market share. I guess we should just stop complaining when companies donāt support it, majority of people donāt care. Most people donāt care about privacy, they care about cheap and easy products, letās stop complaining about Google and Meta tracking everyone. And obviously no one here represents any community. People just express their opinions.
My only point is āyouāre not the majorityā, you donāt even need to shut up, you can have whatever opinion you want to have, just donāt pretend to represent āthe communityā when you donātā¦
Itās an additional port that needs to be included into the design and that needs physical space. And itās another way to get dust and/or fluids into the phone, all without any benefit for me or most usersā¦ You can claim that the impact is minimal, but there still is an unnecessary impact.
Everything apple does and other companies do is to make more money, thatās pretty much the entire motivation behind anything companies doā¦
Of course it is to āmake more moneyā, or rather to save money on things that have no measurable benefit for most usersā¦
No, when a company does something I donāt like or that is a dealbreaker for me, I donāt buy the productā¦
People can complain about whatever they want. What is annoying to me is when people say stuff like āthe community has been requesting this for a couple years ago now so why not.ā or āadding a little headphone jack shouldnāt be that hardā when this debate has been settled years ago alreadyā¦
Again, you can complain all you want. But if somebody made a post saying āGoogle is still using, selling and tracking user data. The community has been requesting that they stop doing that years ago, so why do they still do it? They only do it to make money. Just stop doing it, shouldnāt be too hard.ā, it would in my opinion be a ridiculous and pointless postā¦
Ok, I agree, the OP was wrong to pretend that he represents the community. So we agree that removing mini jack made the product worse for a lot of people, those people have the right no to buy this product, they have the right to complain, they just shouldnāt not do it in the name of the entire community. Letās call it a day.
Devilās Advocate as I agree with you, but feel this point should be covered:
Why not make a headphone jack module? If the phone is so easy to repair, then it should be pretty modular, so giving a choice (and probably making it one of the most expensive modules because the demand is DEFINITELY not going to be there to make it cheap through numbers) could not hurt and only help the FairPhone, right?
Again, Devilās advocate, I already know a few potential arguments, but I feel like it was a point being ignored that should be covered