Government is not a monopoly the government is a management organization that resolves differences between capitalists. Meanwhile, if you can’t understand how capitalist monopolies cause harm then you’re beyond help. The whole climate crisis is caused by capitalist monopolies, just one example for you.
I think you have fundamental mistake in that you seem to believe that the economy is a zero sum game but its just not how it works. The only zero sum game that I am worried about is the control of our rights with the governmnet.
That literally has nothing to do with what I said which is that the economy works in the interest of the people who own capital, and these are the same people the government represents. You don’t even understand what the government is apparently.
What specifically is it that you want peoples lives to look like?
I want people to own the means of production. I want all businesses to be run as a mix of state owned enterprise and worker owned cooperatives. The state enterprise is good at providing common things everyone needs like healthcare, infrastructure, housing, and so on. These are things that need to be done regardless of profit motive. Meanwhile, private sector that’s owned by the workers is great at providing all the things where profit motive acts as a motivator. This isn’t rocket science.
How can I opt out of the government if its not a monopoly? Its literally the only true monopoly and its on our rights and force.
When you talk about all the money doesnt just go to the rich, there is more wealth created and you have the option to accumulate wealth or trade it to others.
Do you understand how what you are advocating for will just make everyone poorer? When you say “Nu-uh”, answer this question, for the people that work a lot of hours and work hard, what is the reason to continue to go above and beyond when our labor is being taken and given to others?
How can I opt out of the government if its not a monopoly?
Please learn what words government and monopoly mean before attempting to use them in sentence.
When you talk about all the money doesnt just go to the rich, there is more wealth created and you have the option to accumulate wealth or trade it to others.
Imagine still believing in trickle down economics. 😂
Do you understand how what you are advocating for will just make everyone poorer?
Workers retaining the profits of their labor makes them more poor is the dumbest take I’ve seen in a while. Maybe spend a bit of time educating yourself instead of trolling online.
No one believes in trickle down economics nor did they ever, it was literally propaganda term. Please explain to me why I would have worked so many hours or so hard if I didnt get the benefit of my labor? Simple question that you will not be able to answer because its why your ideal system never ever ever works.
You literally believe in trickle down economics because that’s what capitalism fundamentally is. The boss you employs your dumb ass appropriates all the value that you produce, then pays you a small portion of that value in form of salary. That’s the system where you don’t get benefit of your labor.
Since you evidently don’t understand the concept of cooperative ownership. That’s a system where all the workers own the business together and share the profits in equitable manner. Meanwhile, it’s pretty hilarious that you think communism doesn’t work given that China is pretty much the only place in the world where the standard of living is rapidly improving. Meanwhile, it’s declining in all the capitalist hellholes.
Like I said, no one believes in trickle down economics… and that is not what capitalism is. China isnt communism. Please explain to me why I would have worked so many hours or so hard if I didnt get the benefit of my labor?
You’ve already made it abundantly clear that you do not understand what capitalism is. China is a socialist country that’s run by the communist party. Please explain to me how cooperative ownership means not getting the benefit of your labor. Be specific.
China is not, its controlled by a centralized party but it lets people do their own thing. I noticed you didnt mention Cuba as a great example of communism, “Because sanctions they cant get ahead!!!” You should check out the vox video on how well their system works.
Please explain to me how cooperative ownership means not getting the benefit of your labor.
Because the harder I work it doesnt directly benefit me, it benefits all the owners. So I would not be incentivized to work harder or longer because I dont get the direct benefit.
Because the harder I work it doesnt directly benefit me, it benefits all the owners
Correct. Now, apply that exact same analysis to the capitalist company.
The average worker earns $34/hr. Let’s say you work for a company that employs 10 people.
At 9am, you produce $40 profit for the company, as does every other employee. For that, you each receive $34, and the shareholders receive $60.
At 10am, all the other workers produce $40 for the company, but you produce $4000. Company grosses $4360, pays out $340 in payroll, and keeps $4020 in profit.
Simple, right? You gave the company an hour; you received an hour’s pay. You don’t have a claim to the company profits; those belong to the shareholders. Your claim is $68 for those two hours of work, not the value of what you produce. That’s capitalism.
The difference between capitalism and socialism is that under socialism, as a worker, you are also a shareholder in the company.
Under socialism, your claim is $68 for the two hours of work, plus 1/10th of the company profits. You receive $34 + $6 for 9am, and $34 + $402 for 10am.
Fwiw, I don’t agree with the idea of state-owned businesses. But, I do believe that most businesses should operate as partnerships or co-ops, where the people doing the work are also the owners, and entitled to their fair share of the company’s profits.
As an owner, if you see me freeloading on the factory floor, you can petition the other owners to have me fired. If you’re the only one putting in any work, you can demand the rest of us pay you better, or you can quit.
China is not, its controlled by a centralized party but it lets people do their own thing.
How to say you have no clue how the system in China works.
I noticed you didnt mention Cuba as a great example of communism, “Because sanctions they cant get ahead!!!” You should check out the vox video on how well their system works.
Cuba has been fucked over by the US regime since the revolution dummy.
Because the harder I work it doesnt directly benefit me, it benefits all the owners. So I would not be incentivized to work harder or longer because I dont get the direct benefit.
Owning your own business doesn’t benefit you. Just how dumb are you exactly?
Government is not a monopoly the government is a management organization that resolves differences between capitalists. Meanwhile, if you can’t understand how capitalist monopolies cause harm then you’re beyond help. The whole climate crisis is caused by capitalist monopolies, just one example for you.
That literally has nothing to do with what I said which is that the economy works in the interest of the people who own capital, and these are the same people the government represents. You don’t even understand what the government is apparently.
I want people to own the means of production. I want all businesses to be run as a mix of state owned enterprise and worker owned cooperatives. The state enterprise is good at providing common things everyone needs like healthcare, infrastructure, housing, and so on. These are things that need to be done regardless of profit motive. Meanwhile, private sector that’s owned by the workers is great at providing all the things where profit motive acts as a motivator. This isn’t rocket science.
How can I opt out of the government if its not a monopoly? Its literally the only true monopoly and its on our rights and force.
When you talk about all the money doesnt just go to the rich, there is more wealth created and you have the option to accumulate wealth or trade it to others.
Do you understand how what you are advocating for will just make everyone poorer? When you say “Nu-uh”, answer this question, for the people that work a lot of hours and work hard, what is the reason to continue to go above and beyond when our labor is being taken and given to others?
Please learn what words government and monopoly mean before attempting to use them in sentence.
Imagine still believing in trickle down economics. 😂
Workers retaining the profits of their labor makes them more poor is the dumbest take I’ve seen in a while. Maybe spend a bit of time educating yourself instead of trolling online.
No one believes in trickle down economics nor did they ever, it was literally propaganda term. Please explain to me why I would have worked so many hours or so hard if I didnt get the benefit of my labor? Simple question that you will not be able to answer because its why your ideal system never ever ever works.
You literally believe in trickle down economics because that’s what capitalism fundamentally is. The boss you employs your dumb ass appropriates all the value that you produce, then pays you a small portion of that value in form of salary. That’s the system where you don’t get benefit of your labor.
Since you evidently don’t understand the concept of cooperative ownership. That’s a system where all the workers own the business together and share the profits in equitable manner. Meanwhile, it’s pretty hilarious that you think communism doesn’t work given that China is pretty much the only place in the world where the standard of living is rapidly improving. Meanwhile, it’s declining in all the capitalist hellholes.
Can’t wait for you to reply with another banger.
Like I said, no one believes in trickle down economics… and that is not what capitalism is. China isnt communism. Please explain to me why I would have worked so many hours or so hard if I didnt get the benefit of my labor?
You’ve already made it abundantly clear that you do not understand what capitalism is. China is a socialist country that’s run by the communist party. Please explain to me how cooperative ownership means not getting the benefit of your labor. Be specific.
China is not, its controlled by a centralized party but it lets people do their own thing. I noticed you didnt mention Cuba as a great example of communism, “Because sanctions they cant get ahead!!!” You should check out the vox video on how well their system works.
Because the harder I work it doesnt directly benefit me, it benefits all the owners. So I would not be incentivized to work harder or longer because I dont get the direct benefit.
Correct. Now, apply that exact same analysis to the capitalist company.
The average worker earns $34/hr. Let’s say you work for a company that employs 10 people.
At 9am, you produce $40 profit for the company, as does every other employee. For that, you each receive $34, and the shareholders receive $60.
At 10am, all the other workers produce $40 for the company, but you produce $4000. Company grosses $4360, pays out $340 in payroll, and keeps $4020 in profit.
Simple, right? You gave the company an hour; you received an hour’s pay. You don’t have a claim to the company profits; those belong to the shareholders. Your claim is $68 for those two hours of work, not the value of what you produce. That’s capitalism.
The difference between capitalism and socialism is that under socialism, as a worker, you are also a shareholder in the company.
Under socialism, your claim is $68 for the two hours of work, plus 1/10th of the company profits. You receive $34 + $6 for 9am, and $34 + $402 for 10am.
Fwiw, I don’t agree with the idea of state-owned businesses. But, I do believe that most businesses should operate as partnerships or co-ops, where the people doing the work are also the owners, and entitled to their fair share of the company’s profits.
As an owner, if you see me freeloading on the factory floor, you can petition the other owners to have me fired. If you’re the only one putting in any work, you can demand the rest of us pay you better, or you can quit.
How to say you have no clue how the system in China works.
Cuba has been fucked over by the US regime since the revolution dummy.
Owning your own business doesn’t benefit you. Just how dumb are you exactly?