How the fuck can you be an adult and still believe in fantasies like “neutral journalism?” Of course you’re a fucking zionist kraut too, coming in here to lecture people about “antisemitically” opposing a genocide. You’re a fucking joke, people were mocking germans like you before you even showed up here.
“Because of history we could never commit acts of violence against an oppressed group… why yes Israel you can have some more bombs to level Palestinian villages”
The absolute brain worms these people have are incredible. In another comment thread they’re crying and moaning about concentration camp comparisons because the number of dead Palestinians isn’t high enough yet. Apparently “learning from the holocaust” means that you have to wait until you hit the 6 million mark before you start doing something about it.
In another comment thread they’re crying and moaning about concentration camp comparisons because the number of dead Palestinians isn’t high enough yet.
Germans are just genetically predisposed to genocide. The USSR did a good job of selecting it out of them, but the reunification ruined all of that since it’s the dominant gene.
I can tell you’re one of those people that claims there is a “cycle of violence”, but there is no cycle. There is no circular causality. Israel’s genocide is not caused by violence from Palestinians. It is caused by an ethno-nationalist ideology and the colonist invasion used to implement it. Every bit of violence that you will associate with a Palestinian is a justified response to being trapped, starved, beaten, deprived, and killed.
Palestinians do not do anything to cause the continued violence of Israel. If Hamas completely dissolved and no Palestinian child ever threw a rock at an Israeli tank again, they would still be getting genocided, having their homes and land continually taken from them. Because Israel and most of its citizens want this to happen. No, “we” don’t need thousands of people to die. Israel needs it.
Every bit of violence that you will associate with a Palestinian is a justified response to being trapped, starved, beaten, deprived, and killed.
I’ll push back very slightly here. Before I say it, I’ll clarify - my understanding comes from my experience and someone who’s Palestinian has a much better understanding than me. So their words should matter more. What I’m saying might not even apply to this situation as a whole - I’m just responding to this statement I’ve quoted.
I’m from a colonized country where we are taught about the heroic efforts of our freedom fighters from a very young age - not just in school (which is liberalised tbf), but in movies and TV (dramatized) and via anecdotes from our grandparents who lived in colonial times (personal efforts by individuals and the impact of revolutionary figures on the ground).
Not every individual bit of violence by every individual oppressed person is justified. Individuals are fallible and many immoral people commit violence in ways that do not forward the cause of independence, but for personal gain.
What is justified is organised struggles that various independence groups undertake to attain their freedom. The level and type of struggle that is deemed necessary is up to the group fighting for independence. Some of them will be called terrorists by the colonisers, others will be co-opted by them and become oppressors themselves, or seek to gain a dominant position within the independent struggle. Thats a normal part of the struggle. And even within these groups there will be people who will put their personal gain above the efforts of the group - at that point the group has to have a system in place to deal with these individuals.
This doesn’t mean individuals cannot be a part of the independence struggle without being in a group. They absolutely can. Most civilians are. But there is a difference between every anarchic bit of individual violence done with no overall goal but for personal gain, and organised struggle. The two are not always the same. That’s all.
I don’t mean “justified” as in “morally correct”, I mean it as in there is an understandable justification for it. Not specifically from the individual involved. When an invading group makes ethnic divisions in a society, there will be ethnic violence, and the only justified reaction is to end those ethnic divisions (in this case, “Israel” getting the hell out). I don’t mean that a random Palestinian being violent towards a random “Israeli” is good, I mean that it’s not some moral calculation that should be weighed against Israel’s crimes. They aren’t the same and don’t contribute to a cycle.
I agree with everything you wrote, but I don’t really think it means much to be pointed out here, because it’s not really what I was responding to. (Also, unrelated, but don’t use “anarchic” like that. It’s very lib.)
Israel started this conflict, and they want nothing more than the complete eradication of the Palestinian people. The only way it’s going to end is with the complete abolition of the Israeli state. Death to Israel.
This “decades long conflict” is simply a result of Israeli settler-colonialism. It’s not just people fighting because they can’t get along, since the start the goal was to wipe out the Palestinians and settle in the nation, and equating the resistance of the Palestinians against oppression with the colonial violence of Israel for suppression is liberal nonsense.
BTW: I don’t know what the views are ouside of europe, but Al Jazeera is considered not being neutral in this conflict. Yeah, you can share it, but you should question how much is true.
Ridiculous to be neutral during the Israeli genocide of Palestinians. As for the “Hamas terrorists,” the Palestinian right to resist occupation by armed struggle is enshrined in international law (UN res 37/43) and therefore not terrorism. Hot safety tip: Don’t hold your music festivals next to your concentration camps. Regardless, this “butchering by Hamas” is pure fiction:
Haaretz: “According to [comments by Tuval Escapa, the kibbutz’s security coordinator], only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions—including shelling houses on their occupants in order to eliminate the terrorists without knowing whether the Israelis in those buildings were alive or dead—the IDF completed the takeover of the kibbutz.”
Colonel Nof Erez (air force) told a Haaretz podcast in November that “the Hannibal Directive was apparently applied” and that October 7th “was a mass Hannibal.”
Ynet: Israel fired from helicopters into crowd of festival goers indiscriminately (blamed on “Hamas deception”)
when they butchered Israelis during the last massacre
but enough about the israeli army
BTW: I don’t know about views inside the NATO alliance which has spent the last 30 years destroying every country in the middle east, but no news outlet in Europe or the US is considered a reliable source in this conflict. Yeah, you can share it, but you should question how much any of what they say it true.
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How the fuck can you be an adult and still believe in fantasies like “neutral journalism?” Of course you’re a fucking zionist kraut too, coming in here to lecture people about “antisemitically” opposing a genocide. You’re a fucking joke, people were mocking germans like you before you even showed up here.
“Because of history we could never commit acts of violence against an oppressed group… why yes Israel you can have some more bombs to level Palestinian villages”
The absolute brain worms these people have are incredible. In another comment thread they’re crying and moaning about concentration camp comparisons because the number of dead Palestinians isn’t high enough yet. Apparently “learning from the holocaust” means that you have to wait until you hit the 6 million mark before you start doing something about it.
How dare the Israeli government privately describe Gaza as a “huge concentration camp”? Don’t they know that’s antisemitic?
Germans are just genetically predisposed to genocide. The USSR did a good job of selecting it out of them, but the reunification ruined all of that since it’s the dominant gene.
Something is deeply wrong with the German brainpan
Israel deserved October 7th and they deserve it again. Death to Israel.
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I can tell you’re one of those people that claims there is a “cycle of violence”, but there is no cycle. There is no circular causality. Israel’s genocide is not caused by violence from Palestinians. It is caused by an ethno-nationalist ideology and the colonist invasion used to implement it. Every bit of violence that you will associate with a Palestinian is a justified response to being trapped, starved, beaten, deprived, and killed.
Palestinians do not do anything to cause the continued violence of Israel. If Hamas completely dissolved and no Palestinian child ever threw a rock at an Israeli tank again, they would still be getting genocided, having their homes and land continually taken from them. Because Israel and most of its citizens want this to happen. No, “we” don’t need thousands of people to die. Israel needs it.
I’ll push back very slightly here. Before I say it, I’ll clarify - my understanding comes from my experience and someone who’s Palestinian has a much better understanding than me. So their words should matter more. What I’m saying might not even apply to this situation as a whole - I’m just responding to this statement I’ve quoted.
I’m from a colonized country where we are taught about the heroic efforts of our freedom fighters from a very young age - not just in school (which is liberalised tbf), but in movies and TV (dramatized) and via anecdotes from our grandparents who lived in colonial times (personal efforts by individuals and the impact of revolutionary figures on the ground).
Not every individual bit of violence by every individual oppressed person is justified. Individuals are fallible and many immoral people commit violence in ways that do not forward the cause of independence, but for personal gain.
What is justified is organised struggles that various independence groups undertake to attain their freedom. The level and type of struggle that is deemed necessary is up to the group fighting for independence. Some of them will be called terrorists by the colonisers, others will be co-opted by them and become oppressors themselves, or seek to gain a dominant position within the independent struggle. Thats a normal part of the struggle. And even within these groups there will be people who will put their personal gain above the efforts of the group - at that point the group has to have a system in place to deal with these individuals.
This doesn’t mean individuals cannot be a part of the independence struggle without being in a group. They absolutely can. Most civilians are. But there is a difference between every anarchic bit of individual violence done with no overall goal but for personal gain, and organised struggle. The two are not always the same. That’s all.
I don’t mean “justified” as in “morally correct”, I mean it as in there is an understandable justification for it. Not specifically from the individual involved. When an invading group makes ethnic divisions in a society, there will be ethnic violence, and the only justified reaction is to end those ethnic divisions (in this case, “Israel” getting the hell out). I don’t mean that a random Palestinian being violent towards a random “Israeli” is good, I mean that it’s not some moral calculation that should be weighed against Israel’s crimes. They aren’t the same and don’t contribute to a cycle.
I agree with everything you wrote, but I don’t really think it means much to be pointed out here, because it’s not really what I was responding to. (Also, unrelated, but don’t use “anarchic” like that. It’s very lib.)
Israel started this conflict, and they want nothing more than the complete eradication of the Palestinian people. The only way it’s going to end is with the complete abolition of the Israeli state. Death to Israel.
This “decades long conflict” is simply a result of Israeli settler-colonialism. It’s not just people fighting because they can’t get along, since the start the goal was to wipe out the Palestinians and settle in the nation, and equating the resistance of the Palestinians against oppression with the colonial violence of Israel for suppression is liberal nonsense.
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Oh yeah, as opposed to trying to poorly shame people online and encouraging the Israelis doing their genocide. You are really a shining beacon.
lmao literally spamming the same response like a bot, NPC ass dipshit
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DEATH TO ISRAEL!
Death to Israel, death to America.
Ridiculous to be neutral during the Israeli genocide of Palestinians. As for the “Hamas terrorists,” the Palestinian right to resist occupation by armed struggle is enshrined in international law (UN res 37/43) and therefore not terrorism. Hot safety tip: Don’t hold your music festivals next to your concentration camps. Regardless, this “butchering by Hamas” is pure fiction:
Haaretz: “According to [comments by Tuval Escapa, the kibbutz’s security coordinator], only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions—including shelling houses on their occupants in order to eliminate the terrorists without knowing whether the Israelis in those buildings were alive or dead—the IDF completed the takeover of the kibbutz.”
Colonel Nof Erez (air force) told a Haaretz podcast in November that “the Hannibal Directive was apparently applied” and that October 7th “was a mass Hannibal.”
Ynet: Israel fired from helicopters into crowd of festival goers indiscriminately (blamed on “Hamas deception”)
DEATH TO ISRAEL!!!
but enough about the israeli army
BTW: I don’t know about views inside the NATO alliance which has spent the last 30 years destroying every country in the middle east, but no news outlet in Europe or the US is considered a reliable source in this conflict. Yeah, you can share it, but you should question how much any of what they say it true.
Yeah, we can tell you never speak to anyone outside of your safe little bubble.
oppa gangnam style
Please, don’t flatter us. Hamas is doing infinitely more to stop Israel’s ongoing genocide than some people leaving comments on a forum.