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Flying Squid@lemmy.world to Political Memes@lemmy.world · 2 years ago

Not exactly helping the proles.

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Not exactly helping the proles.

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    I would say so, if it weren’t for the rigorous scientific theory behind it. But, again, Marx is far from my saviour. For one, many have come after that improved upon his theories since his works. So, you continue to miss the mark.

    You haven’t answered any of my questions.

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      The only scientific part of Marx’s “theory” is the part where he says it is, nothing more than that.

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        https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Engels_Socialism_Utopian_and_Scientific.pdf

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_materialism

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_materialism

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          That’s nothing but gross oversimplifications of events that have little to nothing to do with science

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            Read first, then judge.

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              Trust me, saying all of history is composed of two groups of people is a gross oversimplification based on a philosophical (not scientific) root, that clearly is made to enforce that “us Vs them” mentality

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                And that is a gross oversimplification of historical and dialectical materialism.

                https://youtu.be/ZXwWWiI3E1A?si=xp4hWf-jtJpxTN5W

                https://youtu.be/nZXaZHe901w?si=vG3rwmkmoG0pG5wl

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                  Pretty sure the core is just “Us Vs them AKA the oppressed Vs the oppressors”

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                    Please engage with even one of the many sources I have kindly provided for you. You will be better for it. I would recommend the videos, they’re not very long, and the explanation manages to be thorough yet concise and understandable.

                    Also, Marx and Engels were bourgeois themselves. They knew and were fine with the knowledge that, if an “us and them” mentality were to emerge out of revokution, the two of them would be in the “them”.

                    They weren’t running for office. They weren’t leading a movement. They were just theorising based on the material conditions. There was no need for them to try appeals to group mentality.

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