Norma Anderson, a trailblazing former GOP legislator, is among the Colorado voters who have challenged the Republican front-runnerā€™s candidacy in a case that will be heard by the Supreme Court

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    What about those of us who dislike both parties, but agree with select things from each?

    Like being moderate, center, mild, or a republicrat?

    Thereā€™s no party that represents me. Only two groups of people whose ideas I mostly dislike, or that lack the compromise I feel would be necessary to do good.

    I still donā€™t think every Republican is evil, same for liberals, or progressive, or Democrats.

    If everyone but your group is evil, youā€™ll never get anywhere until you kill all the others. Sounds like Nazis to me?

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      What Republican things do you agree with?

      The election was a fraud?

      Corporations are people?

      Climate change is a myth?

      Women are lesser than men?

      Slavery had benefits?

      The rich deserve tax cuts?

      Trans people need to be oppressed as do other LGBT+ people?

      Foreigners are bad, especially the brown ones?

      Private healthcare is the best form of healthcare?

      The poor deserve to be?

      Police are always to be respected no matter what (unless itā€™s January 6th)?

      Russia is a good ally?

      The elderly donā€™t need a break?

      Hunter Bidenā€™s existence is proof that Joe Biden needs to be impeached?

      We cannot allow the Democrats to give us what we want in an election year?

      Seriously, what?

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        Iā€™ll play.

        What Republican things do you agree with? The election was a fraud?

        Ha, right. Probably not. Didnā€™t seem like any real evidence showed up. I compare this to the assertion that the U.S. government hid aliens from the world for the last ~70 years. That would be the only thing it ever did that well. So Iā€™m in doubt the ā€˜conspiracyā€™ could even pull that off. In my opinion, those die hard trumper nuts are not representative of the majority of that whole party, but I canā€™t point to data, just my experience with other people near me.

        Corporations are people?

        If they are, theyā€™re the greedy fat cat kind of people I donā€™t like. I donā€™t know anyone in the top tier of society like that. I would like to see legal protections from executives and corporations reduced, and more personal liability of corporate leaders. Iā€™m not really sure if thatā€™s counter to their entire parties views. If corporate abuses could be better broken down and displayed for people, maybe more rightish people would center on the topic?

        Climate change is a myth?

        I only know people who disagree with the degree of how bad things are, I donā€™t know any out right deniers. Again, I donā€™t have a feel for an entire nationwide collection of people on that one.

        Women are lesser than men?

        How and why? Iā€™ve never heard anyone actually put this into practice or policy. If youā€™re blending with this abortion rights, then you have people who disagree on two different principles ( a personā€™s choice vs peopleā€™s believe in human life). I donā€™t believe in taking away peopleā€™s rights, but I also donā€™t like killing babies (insert giant argument about when is a person a person, blah). If I canā€™t have my God given right to drive drunk because itā€™s dangerous for other people, then I also donā€™t like abortion unless thereā€™s more reasons. This is way too complicated of a topic for a text conversation, but I think itā€™s a main one for people thinking women donā€™t get the right to make medical decisions about themselves. What else is there?

        Slavery had benefits?

        Again, who and why? Iā€™ve never heard anyone actually say this. I donā€™t think the vast majority of rightish people would ever think that. Iā€™ve never met any.

        The rich deserve tax cuts?

        I wouldnā€™t frame it like that. Excluding the mega wealthy and whatever that might mean to some, I get the impression most people just donā€™t want to be overly taxed. Again, thatā€™s subjective, but highest tax bracket is 37% I think. Thatā€™s a lot in my opinion. ā€œBut they have so much money, it wonā€™t affect their livesā€. Yep, I agree. I just donā€™t think people want to be picked on if they feel they earned it. Did they, I donā€™t know, maybe?

        Iā€™d be curious how many right voters earn more than 100K, because I donā€™t think they would say they want tax cuts for ā€˜richā€™ people. I donā€™t have data on this. Iā€™m curious.

        Trans people need to be oppressed as do other LGBT+ people?

        Yeah, that oneā€™s tough. Most of the conservative people Iā€™ve heard in real life (not the villains on TV) range from indifferent to disapproving. They donā€™t understand why all the noise and want people to be quiet and go away. One personā€™s freedom fighter is anotherā€™s terrorist on this one. I wouldnā€™t support policies that limit medical care, ownership, etc based on relationship status. I very much believe most conversative or rightish people that have harsh opinions of the trans issue have never met or had a real relationship with someone who struggled with identify, medal health, etc.

        Ultimately, I might agree on this one that thereā€™s probably a large portion of people who identify as some kind of right donā€™t have a lot of compassion for the letter communities.

        Foreigners are bad, especially the brown ones?

        That sounds like trump and bigots. Not sure about the whole. I can suggest a few ways to break that up though. Thereā€™s a serious issue with immigration policy/system. Whether itā€™s easy or hard is about the constraints we (government) put on it. I think rightish people want less imitation, sure. I am law and order supportive though. The border thing for some people is way more about groups of people intentionally not enforcing laws, picking an choosing. No one likes that, unless it suites them of course. It doesnā€™t suite the right in this case, so they donā€™t like it. I donā€™t like it. I support immigration though. My great grandparentsā€¦etc. We need politicians elected that will compromise and change the legislation. I believe we also need border security, but itā€™s not because I dislike ā€˜brownā€™ people.

        If brown means middle-eastern, yeah, thereā€™s some phobia there. After a few extremist things, people gonna hate, rational or not. Not rational. I wonder how opinions of middle easterner goes across all the political aspects.

        Private healthcare is the best form of healthcare?

        Says people who have it. Iā€™d like to see data on how many people per political party have health insurance. Iā€™d guess people who never went without health care canā€™t imagine/relate.

        I feel like right party people more align with open/free market ideas and believe thatā€™s true.

        The poor deserve to be?

        Close, but no. I think thatā€™s flipping it again. Iā€™m guessing thereā€™s a lower percentage of unemployed people claiming the right, based on 3 seconds of an LLM search. I assume people whoā€™ve worked most of their lives and didnā€™t struggle with some kind of mental health issues or other complicating factors that kept from them decent employment donā€™t have compassion for people who have. They probably assume if you arenā€™t working and earning a living, youā€™re maybe lazy or made poor choices. I can see how youā€™d say that means they think poor people deserve it. Iā€™m guessing they think everyone has a fair chance to succeed and just arenā€™t. Thatā€™s not the same as wanting people to stay gutter trash.

        Police are always to be respected no matter what (unless itā€™s January 6th)?

        How many people stored the capital? Iā€™ve seen numbers on sites ranging from 20K to 120K. I donā€™t know how many of them committed violence against law enforcement. one figure said there were 38 million registered republicans. I have no idea if thatā€™s even close, doesnā€™t really matter if you compare that against 120K. I donā€™t think the vast majority of republicans would have participated or condoned that. Those people in my opinion were extremists and trump worshipers. Cult people do crazy things. Thatā€™s not the entire political party in my opinion.

        Russia is a good ally?

        Is that the whole party or Trump?

        The elderly donā€™t need a break?

        Theyā€™ve already gotten a break, like that hip. This seems overly generalized. Be more specific.

        Hunter Bidenā€™s existence is proof that Joe Biden needs to be impeached?

        Same as the Dem party went after all of trumps associates. In both cases, I think theyā€™re (the people targeted by an opposing political party) shady at best, and corrupt mega criminals that should all be in prison at worst (best). Iā€™d say that about a lots of politicians on both sides though. The republicans had a grand ol time trying to impeach Clinton. The Dems tried to Impeach Trump. Should yhey both have been impeached? Probably? Was it a huge political special and witch hunt, oh yeah. Both embarrassing for the nation and indicative of electing morally bankrupt or hypocrites, probably.

        We cannot allow the Democrats to give us what we want in an election year?

        Iā€™m not sure what this means.

        Personally, I think a huge portion of the problem is a lack of choice. This two party system is broken. Insert huge discussion about that here, and move on. So I think that leaves a huge portion of people in the middle, trying to chose between two groups of people who seems to have the loudest and most extreme members fighting for the most leadership in the group.

        I fact that trump is becoming the leading right extremist blows my mind, and I think itā€™s the movie ideocracy, but in real life. Maybe the other candidates were shitty, but come on. Ultimately, I donā€™t know how many true trumpers there are, versus people who would vote for someone else. I guess if he wins the primary, then points/half?

        Maybe the other more sane half would go with a viable third or fourth group?

        Maybe outlaw groups/parties and just have candidates?

        ā€œBelieving that all those who oppose us are inherently evil leads to a deadlock since you canā€™t compromise with evil. It is only through understanding, compromise, and mutual respect that we can move forward and get things done.ā€ - an LLM

        For the downvoters, maybe time the time to write something instead of just doing a drive by. Say why you disagree since this is not a low effort comment.

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          Sure sounds to me like you either donā€™t agree with their platform or donā€™t understand the points on it.

          So why do you vote for them?

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            I donā€™t, not all of them. Unlike some, I donā€™t push a D/R button. I cherry pick. If both candidates suck, I pass. Does it help or matter, no. My state votes red.

            I wonā€™t personally push the button for someone I think is a piece of crap.

            But, the point I was making is thereā€™s a range of politicians in these parties. Some chose a party affiliation out of necessity and funding, others are extremely polarized. I think thereā€™s both participants on both sides.

            I think people vote for one of these two groups again out of a lack of choice.

            I donā€™t think all people who claim Republican are Nazis, fascists, etc. especially when you compare thatā€™s to historical instances of the past.

            I also donā€™t think all Democrats are communists, extremists etc, same.

            I find most people want the same things, love, safety, material shit, etc. they differ widely on their greed levels, placing blame for their own problems or other peopleā€™s issues, etc.

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            You didnā€™t answer some of my questions asking for more clarification on some of those issues. Iā€™m curious.

            Most of that I have to Google/lookup. Im around a ton of highly conservative or Republican claiming people, but I donā€™t hear some of what youā€™re talking about.

            I also donā€™t spend any time with actual politicians to know what they believe versus when they fall in line with party bs.

            I wonder what removing funding from the political system would achieve. No more superpacs?

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              I didnā€™t answer your questions because you didnā€™t tell me which of those you agreed with. Iā€™m still waiting to know.

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                So why do you vote for them?

                If I vote any republican stuffs, it usually because of these big or little issues:

                • I usually align more with higher defense spending and certain military usage.
                • Iā€™m pretty conservative regarding abortion
                • I support highest border security (which is not the same thing to me as immigration)
                • I usually align more to republican foreign policy
                • I want you to prove youā€™re a citizen and have the right to vote in US elections
                • My views on gun control. I want more controls, but not banning guns by type.
                • I dislike the Russian invasion, but thereā€™s flipping on that.
                • I dislike mandated diversity stuff. (Oh God, here we go. That doesnā€™t mean I donā€™t believe thereā€™s a problem with bias and such, I just donā€™t think that fixes it. If it would have, it should be fixed by now. Also, I believe all people are the same/equal/human, so donā€™t start down that road)

                In some of these cases, I barely lean republican aligned. Or, I just disagree more with the Democratic parties view point/solution. Thatā€™s why I donā€™t have party affiliations. Me and trump arenā€™t the same. I canā€™t vote for any US presidential candidates this time, because I think theyā€™re both wrong. I have an extremely negative view of trump, Iā€™ll spare everyone. I donā€™t want Biden either. I have lots of reasons for both of those I donā€™t think people care about.

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                  I usually align more with higher defense spending and certain military usage.

                  Neither party is against higher defense spending. Not a reason to vote Republican.

                  Iā€™m pretty conservative regarding abortion

                  Itā€™s already illegal. How much more conservative can you get? If this is a reason to vote Republican, you must want to arrest women who have miscarriages just in case. Generally not a reason to vote Republican anymore.

                  I support highest border security

                  Republicans donā€™t. They just killed their own border bill. Not a reason to vote Republican.

                  I usually align more to republican foreign policy

                  I notice you didnā€™t say what policy that was. So Iā€™m going to have to assume itā€™s ā€œaid Russia and Israel as much as possibleā€ since thatā€™s their current foreign policy. Probably not a good reason to vote Republican.

                  I want you to prove youā€™re a citizen and have the right to vote in US elections

                  You mean the thing youā€™ve already had to do my entire 20+ years of voting in the U.S.? Not a reason to vote Republican.

                  My views on gun control. I want more controls, but not banning guns by type.

                  Republicans want zero controls. Zero. Not a reason to vote Republican.

                  I dislike the Russian invasion, but thereā€™s flipping on that.

                  They havenā€™t flipped on it so far. Not a reason to vote Republican.

                  I dislike mandated diversity stuff.

                  Please give an example and then explain what Republicans have done about it.

                  As far as I can tell, you have not given a single good reason to vote Republican.

                  So Iā€™m still going with ā€˜people who vote Republican support fascismā€™ and I also notice you have no critique of their LGBT+ bigotry, which also makes me think the ā€˜support fascismā€™ thing applies.

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                    Itā€™s already illegal. How much more conservative can you get? If this is a reason to vote Republican, you must want to arrest women who have miscarriages just in case. Generally not a reason to vote Republican anymore.

                    Thatā€™s a terrible assumption of my stance on abortion. Keeping this super easy, I just donā€™t like it. One party is against it, one is for it.

                    Republicans donā€™t. They just killed their own border bill. Not a reason to vote Republican.

                    Yeah, in this election, terrible political moves for party shenanigans over the general good. But surprise. Generally, the two parties wonā€™t compromise and fix immigration, so one tries to bypass the issue by not preventing crossing. The other tries to avoid fixing it by putting up a fence. The lesser of two evils for me until the policy gets fixed is a fence. Sorry. Like I said, I want immigration fixed, but until thenā€¦

                    ā€œaid Russia and Israel as much as possibleā€

                    I assume you mean Ukraine? I want Ukraine supported, Rs did that until they got pissed about all the money/long. Not sure about Israel/Pal. Long term bad stuff over there I donā€™t fully understand. I donā€™t support mass killings of people in the streets, bombings, rockets, bulldozing peopleā€™s houses, etc. That statement says I donā€™t support either group since theyā€™ve both been doing those things from what I can tell. Eachā€™s reasons why gets at the root causes, much bigger discussion.

                    Thereā€™s more to it than those two recent conflict.

                    You mean the thing youā€™ve already had to do my entire 20+ years of voting in the U.S.? Not a reason to vote Republican.

                    Well, thatā€™s why I disagree with any political initiative to frame that as discrimination. Itā€™s not. Otherwise, driving, buying alcohol, renting cars, etc is also all discrimination because you have to have a driverā€™s license. Some localities have worked to allow non-residents to vote. Doesnā€™t make sense to me.

                    Republicans want zero controls. Zero. Not a reason to vote Republican.

                    Disagree. I think you missed the part about I disagree with eliminating guns as the main initiative. I would be more sided with the D party on guns if they would stop talking about banning assault riffles as one of the main fixes.

                    As far as I can tell, you have not given a single good reason to vote Republican.

                    Reason for you I guess. So far, you havenā€™t given me any reason to think that every person who votes for that party is a fascist, hates women, hates poor people, etc.

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                  Looking forward to you continuing to avoid every question I ask you while youā€™re at work too.