Norma Anderson, a trailblazing former GOP legislator, is among the Colorado voters who have challenged the Republican front-runner’s candidacy in a case that will be heard by the Supreme Court

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    11 months ago

    Sure sounds to me like you either don’t agree with their platform or don’t understand the points on it.

    So why do you vote for them?

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      I don’t, not all of them. Unlike some, I don’t push a D/R button. I cherry pick. If both candidates suck, I pass. Does it help or matter, no. My state votes red.

      I won’t personally push the button for someone I think is a piece of crap.

      But, the point I was making is there’s a range of politicians in these parties. Some chose a party affiliation out of necessity and funding, others are extremely polarized. I think there’s both participants on both sides.

      I think people vote for one of these two groups again out of a lack of choice.

      I don’t think all people who claim Republican are Nazis, fascists, etc. especially when you compare that’s to historical instances of the past.

      I also don’t think all Democrats are communists, extremists etc, same.

      I find most people want the same things, love, safety, material shit, etc. they differ widely on their greed levels, placing blame for their own problems or other people’s issues, etc.

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      You didn’t answer some of my questions asking for more clarification on some of those issues. I’m curious.

      Most of that I have to Google/lookup. Im around a ton of highly conservative or Republican claiming people, but I don’t hear some of what you’re talking about.

      I also don’t spend any time with actual politicians to know what they believe versus when they fall in line with party bs.

      I wonder what removing funding from the political system would achieve. No more superpacs?

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        I didn’t answer your questions because you didn’t tell me which of those you agreed with. I’m still waiting to know.

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          So why do you vote for them?

          If I vote any republican stuffs, it usually because of these big or little issues:

          • I usually align more with higher defense spending and certain military usage.
          • I’m pretty conservative regarding abortion
          • I support highest border security (which is not the same thing to me as immigration)
          • I usually align more to republican foreign policy
          • I want you to prove you’re a citizen and have the right to vote in US elections
          • My views on gun control. I want more controls, but not banning guns by type.
          • I dislike the Russian invasion, but there’s flipping on that.
          • I dislike mandated diversity stuff. (Oh God, here we go. That doesn’t mean I don’t believe there’s a problem with bias and such, I just don’t think that fixes it. If it would have, it should be fixed by now. Also, I believe all people are the same/equal/human, so don’t start down that road)

          In some of these cases, I barely lean republican aligned. Or, I just disagree more with the Democratic parties view point/solution. That’s why I don’t have party affiliations. Me and trump aren’t the same. I can’t vote for any US presidential candidates this time, because I think they’re both wrong. I have an extremely negative view of trump, I’ll spare everyone. I don’t want Biden either. I have lots of reasons for both of those I don’t think people care about.

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            I usually align more with higher defense spending and certain military usage.

            Neither party is against higher defense spending. Not a reason to vote Republican.

            I’m pretty conservative regarding abortion

            It’s already illegal. How much more conservative can you get? If this is a reason to vote Republican, you must want to arrest women who have miscarriages just in case. Generally not a reason to vote Republican anymore.

            I support highest border security

            Republicans don’t. They just killed their own border bill. Not a reason to vote Republican.

            I usually align more to republican foreign policy

            I notice you didn’t say what policy that was. So I’m going to have to assume it’s “aid Russia and Israel as much as possible” since that’s their current foreign policy. Probably not a good reason to vote Republican.

            I want you to prove you’re a citizen and have the right to vote in US elections

            You mean the thing you’ve already had to do my entire 20+ years of voting in the U.S.? Not a reason to vote Republican.

            My views on gun control. I want more controls, but not banning guns by type.

            Republicans want zero controls. Zero. Not a reason to vote Republican.

            I dislike the Russian invasion, but there’s flipping on that.

            They haven’t flipped on it so far. Not a reason to vote Republican.

            I dislike mandated diversity stuff.

            Please give an example and then explain what Republicans have done about it.

            As far as I can tell, you have not given a single good reason to vote Republican.

            So I’m still going with ‘people who vote Republican support fascism’ and I also notice you have no critique of their LGBT+ bigotry, which also makes me think the ‘support fascism’ thing applies.

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              It’s already illegal. How much more conservative can you get? If this is a reason to vote Republican, you must want to arrest women who have miscarriages just in case. Generally not a reason to vote Republican anymore.

              That’s a terrible assumption of my stance on abortion. Keeping this super easy, I just don’t like it. One party is against it, one is for it.

              Republicans don’t. They just killed their own border bill. Not a reason to vote Republican.

              Yeah, in this election, terrible political moves for party shenanigans over the general good. But surprise. Generally, the two parties won’t compromise and fix immigration, so one tries to bypass the issue by not preventing crossing. The other tries to avoid fixing it by putting up a fence. The lesser of two evils for me until the policy gets fixed is a fence. Sorry. Like I said, I want immigration fixed, but until then…

              “aid Russia and Israel as much as possible”

              I assume you mean Ukraine? I want Ukraine supported, Rs did that until they got pissed about all the money/long. Not sure about Israel/Pal. Long term bad stuff over there I don’t fully understand. I don’t support mass killings of people in the streets, bombings, rockets, bulldozing people’s houses, etc. That statement says I don’t support either group since they’ve both been doing those things from what I can tell. Each’s reasons why gets at the root causes, much bigger discussion.

              There’s more to it than those two recent conflict.

              You mean the thing you’ve already had to do my entire 20+ years of voting in the U.S.? Not a reason to vote Republican.

              Well, that’s why I disagree with any political initiative to frame that as discrimination. It’s not. Otherwise, driving, buying alcohol, renting cars, etc is also all discrimination because you have to have a driver’s license. Some localities have worked to allow non-residents to vote. Doesn’t make sense to me.

              Republicans want zero controls. Zero. Not a reason to vote Republican.

              Disagree. I think you missed the part about I disagree with eliminating guns as the main initiative. I would be more sided with the D party on guns if they would stop talking about banning assault riffles as one of the main fixes.

              As far as I can tell, you have not given a single good reason to vote Republican.

              Reason for you I guess. So far, you haven’t given me any reason to think that every person who votes for that party is a fascist, hates women, hates poor people, etc.

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                That’s a terrible assumption of my stance on abortion. Keeping this super easy, I just don’t like it. One party is against it, one is for it.

                Again- this issue has already been decided. It is not a reason to vote Republican.

                I assume you mean Ukraine?

                I do not. If you don’t even understand the very basic fact that Republicans have been on Russia’s side for this entire conflict, you are very politically naïve.

                Well, that’s why I disagree with any political initiative to frame that as discrimination. It’s not. Otherwise, driving, buying alcohol, renting cars, etc is also all discrimination because you have to have a driver’s license.

                Oh, you mean the thing you have to have when you register to vote? Like I said, same thing for my entire 20+ years of voting. Have you never actually registered to vote?

                Disagree.

                You can disagree that Republicans want zero gun regulations, but unless you can name a few, your disagreement is moot.

                You still haven’t given me a good reason for you to vote Republican.

                you haven’t given me any reason to think that every person who votes for that party is a fascist, hates women, hates poor people, etc.

                I didn’t say they were. I said they supported people who are. Which makes them just as bad. And makes you just as bad for supporting them too, especially since you have not given one single rational reason to support them and several highly irrational explanations.

                Also, you still have said nothing about the hateful, bigoted Republican position on LGBT+ people, which makes me think you agree with it.

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                  bigoted Republican position on LGBT+ people, which makes me think you agree with it.

                  and absolutely not.

                  Trans people need to be oppressed as do other LGBT+ people?

                  Yeah, that one’s tough. Most of the conservative people I’ve heard in real life (not the villains on TV) range from indifferent to disapproving. They don’t understand why all the noise and want people to be quiet and go away. One person’s freedom fighter is another’s terrorist on this one. I wouldn’t support policies that limit medical care, ownership, etc based on relationship status. I very much believe most conversative or rightish people that have harsh opinions of the trans issue have never met or had a real relationship with someone who struggled with identify, medal health, etc.

                  Trans people need to be oppressed as do other LGBT+ people?

                  Yeah, that one’s tough. Most of the conservative people I’ve heard in real life (not the villains on TV) range from indifferent to disapproving. They don’t understand why all the noise and want people to be quiet and go away. One person’s freedom fighter is another’s terrorist on this one. I wouldn’t support policies that limit medical care, ownership, etc based on relationship status. I very much believe most conversative or rightish people that have harsh opinions of the trans issue have never met or had a real relationship with someone who struggled with identify, medal health, etc.

                  Some are bigots for sure, cake lady comes to mind. Again, if every person ever who claims republican is a community hating bigot, then every (minority/non-white) is a (stereotype/criminal/inflammatory statement).