Trucks are getting so stupid. The brands are smart though, they really know how to to make the most of men insecurities.
I can only recommend Our Changing Climates take on this: “Are Men Killing the Planet?”
The title is inflammatory, yes, but it’s a great video that drives home the point of masculine insecurity and a “dominance of nature” spurs a lot of the “masculine” stereotype behind trucks and SUVs.
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Some places have it blocked.
Yeah, I assumed as much so I just made a Beetlejuice joke
They’ve also started releasing smaller trucks recently, so things are getting better in that aspect.
The masses yearn for the Ford Ranger.
The ranger is back, but it’s still large. The maverick is more like the old ranger.
most of men insecurities
This could be true years ago, but nowadays the number of women buying and preferring this stupid things grows more and more.
One is a truck made for actual work and the other is an abomination pretending to be a truck.
willing to bet the driver of the tiny truck has a bigger… ahem
Fuel range? Yea probably
It’s penis. He means penis. Like, probably the length and girth of his penis. No one ever mentions penis color or how hairy it is (those are Jeep guys), just always the size.
or how hairy it is (those are Jeep guys)
how would you know?
It’s a jeep thing
It’s a jeep thing
you mentioned that. my questions was how would you know that?
I eent to buy a jeep last year and the dealer said he had to inspect my shaft and pubes before he’d let me on the lot. Didn’t wind up buying one, the market adjustments were outrageous!
He probably didn’t take yaw into account
It’s a thing jeep
He has seen a Jeep penis. Where did you think vehicles come from?
Not the person you asked. It’s a joke. That’s jeeps stupid slogan.
oh. well, thanks for clarifying, anyway
Sigh. Look, if you’ve never been to a jeep consortium, that’s just how it goes. Hairy things flopping all over, kindof like a rave with more roll bars. I never want to see that much pubic hair again in my life.
waves hands External spare wheel, spare pubes. All connected.
Found the guy who doesn’t read owner manuals for anything they own.
ive never owned a jeep
Yes I know it was a joke
It’s Joe Biden’s fault that my truck gives shitty gas mileage
Thanks Obama /s
CAFE was enacted in 1975
At least do a good bit if you’re going to do one
The driver of the second truck definitely has a bigger… autoloan
And potentially family. It’s a 4 door truck. It’s a transportation vehicle with a bed and slightly greater towing capacity than a sedan. Lot of suburban dads have these.
Trucks gotta be the most uncomfortable family vehicle lmao
I’m a tiny-truck-lover, and want one badly, but my family’s big 'murica truck is waaaay more comfortable than my current sedan :( Unrelated, but do tiny work trucks come with Bluetooth now?
Damn I hated riding in the back of my dad’s Silverado. I’m almost 6ft and I can comfortably fit behind myself in the back seat of my impreza. The new Maverick looks like a pretty cool small truck option
Eh, your cheaper compact sedans are comparable. It’s definitely not great, but good enough. The front seats are comfortable, at least.
Smol one can tow stupid ugly one. What do you need to tow, that is heavier that stupid ugly one?
Body shaming is not okay.
In this case it’s not about body shaming but about shaming a means of compensation. Also it’s not really a literal take. “Big dick energy” has nothing do with actual dick size. And being a “Karen” has nothing to with a persons actual name or gender.
Neither is trashing the climate with pointlessly big vehicles just to compensate for whatever insecurities they have. We need to either tax or regulate these stupid vehicles back to a reasonable and safe size.
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You agree that body shaming is not okay and yet you contribute to it. Why?
We are criticizing the cult of toxic masculinity, not body types.
Wow hot take
But the body on right is so much bigger, and takes up so much wasted space!
The smaller body on the left is more fuel efficient too.
Plus, body shaming when you’re ugly and useless like that is okay.
who did that?
Not sure if you’re serious but i will answer as if you were.
A common attack against people with large trucks is that they have a large truck to compensate having a small penis. This implies having a small penis is bad/unacceptable. This is obvious body shaming but also contributes to toxic masculinity.
Both of these are unacceptable.There are many alternative ways to talk shit without playing into these kinds of comments and TBH, the compensation comments have been used so much and are so obviously baseless that they don’t hit very hard, IMO.
well, i didn’t actually say that, and i’m not responsible for others filling in the blanks with their own negative thoughts. as you can see, several others actually managed to conclude something different.
don’t blame the Rorschach test because you see something you don’t like.
Disingenuous to the point of absurdity
that’s exactly what blaming me for something i didn’t say is
It was implicit. If you can’t deal with being called out on your rhetoric, perhaps you shouldn’t use it.
Body shaming is dumb and so is owning such a huge truck.
Blocked. User has nothing useful to contribute and will argue in bad faith when called out.
At least I won’t be hearing anymore from you.
I didn’t actually say it I just heavily implied it 🤓
Death wish? I love kei trucks but I fear getting into a mash up in one of them.
*nervous laughter in cyclist*
Exactly. Death wish is inversely proportional to vehicle size.
Better to get the one that’s specifically designed to kill toddlers then. If children have to die so you can be less scared of a “mash up” then it’s all worth it.
specifically designed to kill toddlers
“Lead designer to ensure child lethality” is such a badass job title.
American 🫵😐
Typical “Everyone drives a big truck so I will too!” mindset that misses the core issue on why kei trucks are the better ones. You simply can’t imagine a world where the Ford Death Cruiser 4 billion doesn’t exist.
Japan, the country that invented kei cars, also has larger cars. You’re not looking at the same chance as running into a hummer, but crashing a kei car into a white plate out here still doesn’t look good for the kei.
In kei trucks and other models where the engine is behind you, a crash is gonna fuck you up, no matter what country you’re in or what you hit.
Japanese lower speed limits help. Also, few people in Japan are driving long distances in these things.
Sure, but they’re not banned from highways. It’s not uncommon to see them, although you’re right about lower speed limits-- a lot of highways are about 80 km max
2 wheels for me please.
But, thank you for taking the time on that well thought out, informative post.
But only one can crush a toddler without you even feeling it.
Buy the new Ford Infanticide 5000. You’re American. You deserve it.
Not just toddlers. All children under ten are invisible!
With the right lift kit even adults are not safe.
I’m a tall male (6’3") and even I worry about being seen over the hood of those monstrosities.
After many years of driving different cars/trucks/other I want to know why at some point in the year 2000 decided that vision out of a moving vehicle was secondary to swoopy body lines. Get in something from the 60’s and you can see amazing (even in a boat of a car) yet by 2006 you can not see shit. for example:
Chad 1966 Chrysler 300:
2020 Chrysler 300:
Safety priority for those inside the vehicle. Significant improvement in side impact protection came around in the 2000’s. At the cost of thicker pillars, taller thicker doors, heavier cars.
Gotta appreciate the writers on GTA 6, reality is going to make that a really hard gig.
Also, one of these actually needs and uses the bed, the other one doesn’t.
This person might be a little confused as those beds are definitely not the same length. They might be consuming the mid-size truck 4.5ft bed as the length of that Silverado. I’m being generous to that smaller truck if it has a 4.5ft bed, but the Silverado has a 5.5ft bed standard and also has a wider bed. Specifically greater than 4ft between wheel wells making transporting of standard sized plywood and drywall super easy. Carrying 6 people too is also something that smaller truck isn’t doing, nor is a high towing capacity like 15k pounds. Does the average America need that? Most likely not, but to claim they’re the same is disingenuous.
You can tell the about size by the tire. Considering a standard 5.5ft American truck bed could easily accommodate 4 tires laying down flat and still have plenty of left over space both width and length while this truck seems to struggle with one. Again, 4 tires could fit in the small one standing up, but this comparison is apples to oranges. Both fruits, but different categories.
Kei trucks can put the sides of the bed down, leaving a completely flat cargo surface. Depending on the model, the bed is 4-6ft long and 3.5-4.5ft wide with the sides up.
Part of the point is that a kei truck can do a good chunk of small utility trips without being gigantic or bad on gas.
They actually don’t have very good fuel economy, around 20 mpg.
No way. I could see 20 in heavy city use and loaded, but 30 to 40 mpg is fairly standard.
I had a friend with one, he had mud tires on it and drove up a lot of hills. It was also really old, the newer ones probably get better gas mileage.
I can put my tools in the back of my truck cabin. And have the entire bed ready for materials.
I’d also never want to go over 40 mph or get on a suburban freeway in a Kei truck. You will die instantly in an accident otherwise. Their are zero safety features. And they’re not comfortable for any trip with any distance.
Kei truck is for people who work for the metropolitan city and never leave, or a university, or a golf course. Not a private contractor.
Trucks aren’t for private contractors, vans are. They have several times as much cargo space in the back for the same footprint, thanks to the invention of WALLS you can lean stuff on. They’re much lower to the ground so you don’t gotta put a ramp down to load/unload stuff. It doesn’t rain on your shit. There’s a plethora of reasons why every tradesman and their mom has a van here in Europe.
The only reason American tradesmen buy trucks is machismo marketing, insane tax loopholes, and 1% of them actually needing the offroading capabilities (no, driving around a job site doesn’t count as “offroading”, a Sprinter will do that just fine). I will die on this hill. Trucks are absolutely awful vehicles in almost every way, which is why everywhere outside NA they’re a small niche for offroaders and extremely insecure suburbanites.
Contractor here; vans are commonly used for trades that do lots of service work, and trucks for the ones who tend to do new installs/bigger jobs. You’ll see entire fleets of trucks and vans at the same plumbing company for example and see the divide. I’m so often putting gross or unwieldy things in the bed that a van doesn’t make sense, and there are plenty of other reasons a van might not be better. I’ve only ever seen locksmiths in vans for e.g., and never have seen a concrete finisher use anything other than a truck for a different example. It’s a tool at the end of the day and such a weird stance to ignore that certain jobs could be better suited to one over the other.
All of that aside, the “vans” I’m used to seeing that contractors use are essentially big enclosed trucks anyways so not sure why you’re calling one worse. Maybe it’s a regional thing in naming? My truck is smaller than most work vans I see around, so you’re saying I should be using the bigger vehicle that’s less suited to the tasks I need it for?
I’m talking about these bad boys:
They’ve also got smaller sizes (down to regular cars with a square trunk like the Kangoo which a locksmith might use).
Ain’t no way you can put even remotely as much in a pickup truck as you can in a Sprinter (or equivalent, there are a lot of companies in that game). By putting the bed much lower and having vertical walls as high as will legally fit in a standard tunnel, space is simply maximized in a way that a high bed with short walls cannot compete with, geometrically speaking. I’ve filled one of these bad boys with enough insulation for a whole house, and didn’t even have to bother with straps. If you’ve got gross shit to put down, that’s fine as well, the bed is built for it… Just hose it down at the end of the day lol, it’s no different than a pickup truck.
These vans are so spacious that they’re frequently converted into minibuses, it’s absolutely wild. Throw in a mattress, bedframe, wardrobe, couple of TVs, washing machine, dryer, and you’ve still got several m³ on top to stuff with boxes and bags and shit. Literally the only downside is that they won’t go up an 45° mud slope, which is why pickup trucks do exist in Europe, mostly in mountainous areas and occasionally on logging trails that get really muddy.
If you’ve got gross shit to put down, that’s fine as well, the bed is built for it… Just hose it down at the end of the day lol, it’s no different than a pickup truck.
Ugh, you do you, but I’ll stick with the truck. Having my tools (and myself!) in a separate and locked compartment from the box where all the gross and messy stuff goes is such a quality of life thing, and I don’t need to hose it down every day because that’s what it’s for. I’ve helped a friend remove a bloated dead deer out if their back yard and can’t imagine not throwing up if I had that in the back of a van…
I can grab stuff from and toss stuff into the box without opening or unlocking a single thing (full hands, big gloves, super dirty, etc), and can reach over the side from either side no problem. Plus a tailgate is such a handy workbench when grinding/cutting/drilling or doing anything messy really.
These vans are so spacious that they’re frequently converted into minibuses, it’s absolutely wild.
Sounds like that’s too big of a vehicle for my tastes. I prefer something a bit smaller for fuel economy and visibility/maneuverability reasons.
Vans are great. Trucks are great. Different tools with different strengths. There isn’t a one-size-fits-all for vehicles, so what works great for some might not for others.
Do you… think the back area of the van is connected to the cabin? It is not, the cabin is entirely closed off from what’s behind.
Also like I said they’ve got vans in all sizes. Point is for the same footprint they store so, so, so much more than a truck.
Full size trucks aren’t bad on gas anymore. The F-150 comes with a 2.7 litre turbocharged V6 base now, or you can upgrade to the 3.5L twin turbo V6 or 3.5L hybrid V6. Check your local dealers page, you won’t find many 1/2 ton trucks with V8s anymore. They also have aluminum bodies and a 4-door weighs about the same as a regular cab shortbed truck did 20 years ago. Is the truck in the pic significantly more useful than the Kei truck? Not really unless you need to tow with it, or need the cabin space or seating.
I’m seeing like 16-20mpg on a site that compiles user reports of mileage for both the V6 and V8. Pretty sure that’s what my 99 Ranger got so idk if I’d say “they aren’t bad on gas anymore”
The 2.7 Ecoboost, which is by far the most common on sale right now, gets 20-26mpg, the 3.5L Ecoboost gets 18/24, and the 3.5L hybrid gets 25 combined. The V8 gets 17-25mpg, but most dealers aren’t ordering many of those - check your local dealer’s site and you’ll see most new ones are the 2.7 and the 3.5L hybrid Powerboost.
That’s pretty close to the Kei truck pictured, which gets in the neighborhood of 30mpg.
Dang where did you get all that info? Just asking cuz it’s dead wrong. All of it
The 2.7 Ecoboost, which is by far the most common on sale right now, gets 20-26mpg, the 3.5L Ecoboost gets 18/24, and the 3.5L hybrid gets 25 combined.
You could’ve Googled instead of just assuming I’m a liar, but actual facts seem to get downvoted to oblivion here if they don’t fit the narrative.
The funniest part is that you actually think that 25mpg “isn’t bad on gas” lol
It’s not for a fullsize truck. In fact, that’s the average fuel economy for all vehicles sold in the US in 2022, while cars alone averaged around 31mpg. And considering the Kei trucks only do around 30mpg while having considerably less cargo volume, I’d say it’s not a bad trade off if you need it for specific reasons that a smaller truck won’t do, like towing or hauling larger/heavier items. Does everyone need a big ass truck or SUV? Hell no. But the numbers aren’t as bad as they’re made out to be - at least not for Ford. GM and Stellantis have some work to do.
Edit: revised guess Judging by the design of the driver door, I’m guessing this is a 92/94’s Honda Acty, which has a bed length of 6.3ft
According to wikipedia, that length is normal: “They generally have 1.8 m (6 ft) pickup beds with fold-down sides; dump and scissor-lift beds are also available, as are van bodies. The length limitation forces all of these models into a cab-forward design.”
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_truck (First paragraph under the “Uses” section)
Kei trucks have a 6.5’x4.5’ bed. I own one, and they are awesome.
This is 100% NOT a 6.5ft bed. At all.
Judging by the design of the driver door, I’m guessing this is a 90’s Sambar, which indeed does have a bed length of 6.5ft and a width of 4.5ft.Also, this is normal: “They generally have 1.8 m (6 ft) pickup beds with fold-down sides; dump and scissor-lift beds are also available, as are van bodies. The length limitation forces all of these models into a cab-forward design.”
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_truck (First paragraph under the “Uses” section)
The sanbar has a horizontal door handle, not a vertical door handle.
IF (and again, based on the wheel in the bed of that truck I’m saying it’s sub 5ft in length) that bed was 6ft that also means it’s not the same size. Which still means that information in the post is inaccurate.
Kei trucks are limited to a maximum length of 3.4 m (134 in), a maximum width of 1.48 m (58 in). At a maximum length it would be half the size of the Silverado, which is definitely isn’t. A Silverado with the crew cab and 5.5ft bed is 242in in length and 81 inches in width.
Ah You’re right, the window design is also straight cross the bottom rather than curved. My new guess is a Honda Acty, which is only 6.3ft. Ill update the comments
And to be fair I upvoted your comment as I agreed it looked more like a 4.5ft bed. But then I looked it up.
I don’t really understand the comment about the Silvarado. Are you saying a silvarado has a bed longer than 6.5ft?
The Silverado is my scale. That’s why I mention its size.
The Suzuki Carry, which has a tire size of 145/70r12. That’s a diameter of 20 inches. The tire looks to be about 3x the bed length of the Kei Truck. I think it’s closer to 2.75xs the tire, but at 3x it’s still 5ft.
I’m mentioning sizes of things for scale. It provides us with a way of identifying the potential length.
Not every Kei truck has the same specs. Kei truck refers to a number of different brands of truck and most offer different length beds. This is NOT a 6.5 foot long bed. The Chevy has a 5.5 foot bed. Put a ruler up to both and you’ll see the Kei truck bed is shorter.
Edit: down voted for stating facts about Kei trucks. This is definitely a place for reasonable discussion.
Facts from the guy who thinks measuring the picture is accurate.
Wait until he discovers that things that are further away look smaller. The expression as his mind is blown will be amazing.
I always see this comparison. These are very different types of vehicles. I’m happy there are other people out there who realize this.
I feel like that Kei truck is more comparable to a 1000cc side by side. I don’t mean that as a bad thing. But I think their main uses are much more similar.
When my little 4-cylinder truck wore out in 2021, I looked so hard for one of the little kei trucks. But all of the ones I could find were $20k, or they were $15k and needed a lot of work to be driveable. And none of them were within 200 miles of my location.
I ended up with a used base-model F150 which only cost me $12k. It had 81k miles on it. As near as I can figure out, it started life as a rental truck for a hardware store called “Menards”. It has an 8ft bed, no carpet, no power locks, no power windows, no back seat, no touchscreen, and no color LCD screen in the gauge cluster. I use this truck for a small farm that my wife and I run, so it doesn’t get driven every day.
Im still looking for a kei truck, though.
Towing capacity, payload weight, carrying 3 more people, bed width, drivetrain? I think many trucks are way too big, and it’s silly to own a big work truck if you just use it to go to the grocery store but it’s really about so much more than bed size.
Let’s be honest, most people with trucks that large rarely have passengers, rarely even approach the payload for the bed, and they never tow anything.
Yeah sure but I guess my point was that it’s a false equivalency. The truck on the right is massively more capable than the one on the left. I certainly don’t need one that big and most people don’t.
Yeah it’s about
BIG TRUCK MAKE ME FEEL LIKE MAN. MAKE ME FEEL LIKE BIG BOY. LOOK ME DRIVE BIG VEHICLE SO YOU KNOW I’M IMPORTANT.
LOOK AT ME!!!
Legit I know guys that don’t even need one for work or anything, just get one for ego
Maybe sometimes, but it’s also just a massively more capable vehicle. Sometimes the simplest answer is the truth.
Something tells me you have an oversized truck in your driveway…
I drive a VW golf and I love it.
It’s really not.
It’s about getting past emission standards and pandering to people who don’t understand enough is enough.
They’re also hazards as the increased hood length and height create massive blind spots that have caused a rise in collisions and deaths.
I think both are true. The truck on the right is super capable, and also dangerous, inefficient, unnecessary for most people.
carrying 3 more people
As a payload.
I’m not sure if you can fill it to load capacity even with lead bricks.
Or if you want to carry people, you can use this:
. For carrying not people you can remove seats. It’s even roughly same size.Oh, marshrutka
So many good memories, got replaced with better buses in my city
Bless your city. I know one city in Belgorod Oblast that still 100% microbuses.
But a van and a truck are used for different things. Your not going to see a van around the farm for example because it just isn’t that useful for farm work. Just like your not going to see a truck out delivering packages because it just isn’t the useful for that use case. Many of these vehicles have the exact same frame and engion just with a different body on top for whatever best fits the use case.
In addition to the payload. Payload goes in the back! Fill it with stones then put five men in it to shovel the stones. You’d need two vans for the same purpose. And if it’s roughly the same size, what’s the problem? Vans like that can be nice too, we see lots of Ford transits here in the states for tradesmen. Similar use case to what you’re describing.
This was my take. Considering the bed is wider and deeper, that black truck can literally hold 4x what the other truck carries.
Also from a quick google, I only see a single mini-truck retailer within 500 miles of me and they only sell very-used, with worse exhausts and MPGs than an F150.
Most people don’t need that bigger truck, but if they do that smaller truck won’t cut it.
Please show us a kei truck with less fuel economy then any truck sold in the US in the last lets say 15 years. Hell you can even remove the exhaust altogether and you will be lucky to get a truck double the fuel need of any of those “mini-trucks” as you call them.
A quick google suggests “real world” use of modern microtrucks is 28ish mpg without heavily modding it or super-efficient variants. Older Kei trucks are lower. Actually, much MUCH lower according to minitrucktalk. 22-23.
I know someone with a 2021 Silverado Hybrid holding at 29mpg. And they regularly lug full loads that would take four trips from a Kei truck. Admittedly the “hybrid” part stops mattering with full loads, but I guarantee Kei isn’t going to have great MPG numbers carrying 1000lbs of cargo.
Minitruck owners (sometimes rightly) lean on a soapbox where they and those around them rarely lug any cargo. IMO, might as well drive a Prius at that point but whatever. But ya gotta stop the circlejerk enough to acknowledge that someone who does regularly carry a full cab worth of stuff is in a better position with a normal truck.
Flip-side, very few people need a truck. And those that don’t need a truck also don’t need a kei truck.
Thanks for providing some info, sadly the 29mpg on the hybrid is not the norm or good (had to convert it to 8.1l/100kms like a normal person) it looks like your buddy is doing some great mileage compared to say the info from https://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/silverado_1500/2011?engineconfig_id=&bodytype_id=&submodel_id=62. As for the fuel use of a kei truck, I have only seen those sort of numbers on high speed highway driving as they are just not geared for it. I would love to be able to by a smaller truck, or even a new version of an older one. The issue is we are not given many options other then a kei truck designed for the urban focused Japanese market or a stupid massive van with a 4 foot bed.
Thanks for providing some info, sadly the 29mpg on the hybrid is not the norm or good
For a load-bearing vehicle it absolutely is. And I showed that it compared favorably to these minitrucks. This whole thread is about comparing trucks to trucks. If you need to carry shit, you are hurting the environment if you buy a mini-truck over a Silverado or F150.
it looks like your buddy is doing some great mileage compared to say the info from
Well, 10 years goes a long way. You literally picked a 2011 Silverado. Perhaps look at 2023 numbers on the same site?
As for Kei, as I said it’s hard to get a fair chance when the only places nearby sell heavily-used older vehicles. Gas mileage has largely skyrocketed of late because Auto manufacturers are getting scared.
But ultimately, If you have any truck and don’t need its carrying ability, you’re an asshole. I think the case of a japanese mini-truck being the “best choice” is ultimately too rare to hold your breath for.
A step further, the REAL sad truth is that most minitrucks aren’t even legal in the US without being modified to a max speed of 25mph because they don’t meet safety and emission standards for road vehicles. That’s why so many around here are old. Before 1998, they’re grandfathered in and people in other countries that don’t grandfather old vehicles are offloading them.
Do we really want to be cheering on unsafe high-emission vehicles as the “cure” to the F150?
For a load-bearing vehicle it absolutely is. And I showed that it compared favorably to these minitrucks. This whole thread is about comparing trucks to trucks. If you need to carry shit, you are hurting the environment if you buy a mini-truck over a Silverado or F150.
It does not show that, it showed almost nothing other then your one truck gets middling gas mileage and then you said people on a minitruck forum say they don’t haul stuff. There was as far as I can see no comparison of load to load capacity, avg fuel economy or anything other then you like your buddies 2021 silverado.
Well, 10 years goes a long way. You literally picked a 2011 Silverado. Perhaps look at 2023 numbers on the same site?
your link lists MPG of 21.82 for 2023, that is almost 1/3 worse then your friend.
As for Kei, as I said it’s hard to get a fair chance when the only places nearby sell heavily-used older vehicles. Gas mileage has largely skyrocketed of late because Auto manufacturers are getting scared.
But ultimately, If you have any truck and don’t need its carrying ability, you’re an asshole. I think the case of a japanese mini-truck being the “best choice” is ultimately too rare to hold your breath for.
A step further, the REAL sad truth is that most minitrucks aren’t even legal in the US without being modified to a max speed of 25mph because they don’t meet safety and emission standards for road vehicles. That’s why so many around here are old. Before 1998, they’re grandfathered in and people in other countries that don’t grandfather old vehicles are offloading them.
Do we really want to be cheering on unsafe high-emission vehicles as the “cure” to the F150?
The legal issues are a issue not because these are unsafe or high-emission (they are not). They are a major issue because the auto industry has fed you that tripe and like a lot of US consumers you bought it. These are not good on gas, they have convinced people that 29mpg in a hybrid that costs as much as a house is good.
I like many other people do have the occasional need for a truck, and in no world would you catch me in anything made in north America for the last 20 years. Like many other people I had to buy a very old truck (carberated v8 that gets 14ish mpg btw) and it sits by my barn until it is needed. The “cure” to the f150 is just the option to buy a old f150 or any other truck not made into a 5 seat van like monstrosity. I would love to have the option to buy a new truck that was small, be it a kei or a domestic. But I don’t.
It does not show that
Agree to disagree.
your link lists MPG of 21.82 for 2023, that is almost 1/3 worse then your friend.
That is for a non-Hybrid Silverado, and my friend has a hybrid. Seems to make sense.
The legal issues are a issue not because these are unsafe or high-emission (they are not). They are a major issue because the auto industry has fed you that tripe and like a lot of US consumers you bought it.
That is sorta tinfoil. There is a process in most states to get ANY vehicle street-legal. But Kei trucks don’t just need safety features retrofitted, apparently they lack a sufficient roll cage to pass inspections for valid safety concerns. Even Kei fans can’t agree on whether it’s more or less safe in a crash than a motorcycle.
As for emissions, in a lot of states you just have to pass standard EPA emissions guidelines like any other vehicle. Apparently that’s very difficult for a Kei truck to do. Perhaps it uses a gallon or two less per hundred miles, but its emissions are worse.
Lots of Kei truck fans out there bitch about how the EPA should have better things to do than care about fehicle emissions, but I’d think a “fuck cars” community would care about vehicle emissions.
These are not good on gas, they have convinced people that 29mpg in a hybrid that costs as much as a house is good.
So your viewpoint is entirely about money. Just be straight with it.
and in no world would you catch me in anything made in north America for the last 20 years. Like many other people I had to buy a very old truck (carberated v8 that gets 14ish mpg btw) and it sits by my barn until it is needed.
Why is that? Newer vehicles tend to be safer in collisions and better on emissions than the equivalent older vehicle.
The “cure” to the f150 is just the option to buy a old f150
Circa 2000 F150s rate as low as 10-11MPG. New F150s rate as high as 25MPG. And new F150s are a lot safer to drive. I’ll ask again, is this entire rant of yours just about money? Because maybe I’m the wrong person to respond to if you’re just cheap. I get it, I’d rather take a bus myself than have a car payment.
Lol 100%. Per usual, this is a dumb fucking post from the Cars R Bad people.
Instead of making points about mass transit and infrastructure, they make arguments like this.
The result is everyone thinks you’re fucking retarded.
You came to a community called “Fuck Cars” and your take away is they are too negative about, cars? Did you think this was “Fuck Cars Sensually”?
…yes?
We really need a “Fuck cars sensually” made
To the tune of “Fuck Her Gently?”
You don’t always have to fuck cars hard
In fact sometimes that’s not right to do
More as a community on Lemmy, But I would not say no to a tribute song.
Based on their slur usage, I’m going to go with yes
Yes but one is for work while the other is a compensation device
the larger one does do more:
- Pick up 3 extra people
- Can roll down the back window to let long planks of wood through
These are the only extra advantages I can see, and they are seldom use cases at best.
Fine, if you’re a contractor driving your workers to/from work whilst carrying all the equipment, on a daily basis, such a truck is very useful.
But how many people who drive these do that?
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25% is really high. I doubt most of these ever see another ass.
On the other side based on what I hear about american obesety, it can carry only 3 asses: one for each row including bed.
- Pick up 20 extra people
- Or pick up 30 extra people if some of them can stay
- Have enclosed trunk(you still can leave doors in the back open)
- Lower bed
- Can carry bigger payloads
fair point, plus it’s cheaper
The 3 extra people is a valid reason to not want the smaller truck. Still wouldn’t need to be so monstrous.
Yeah OK, but only in one of these trucks can I safely text and drive.
Pretty sure that is unsafe in any truck if you are the driver.
I’m guessing it was a joke meaning “I might kill others but I’ll survive”
You guessed correctly, congratulations!
We’ll be driving your prize to your front door in an instance and by tonight you can take your new truck for a ride and experience first hand, that it really works!
Say those pesky neighbors kids good bye and enjoy your new life as a true king of the road!
Does it booze cruise?
Cops 🕵️👀
Booze cruise
But since the kei truck cannot travel over 55 mph, that makes it more dangerous!
Yeah, but which one will make women think my penis is huge?
Here are a couple of videos explaining why we can’t have small trucks.
I really like my 2003 Ford ranger. It’s small, but can still haul enough that it works perfectly fine for when I’m picking up dirt for my garden. But also it’s definitely not fuel efficient in the way that I’d want it to be. I wish they made something that size but newer.
I’ve been thinking a good business idea would be to make “restomod” Rangers. With luxury interiors and new engines with more fuel efficient setups. People do want them, but the chicken tax and CAFE makes it so Americans have no choice in trucks.
2002 Tundra here. It is definitely the perfect size for a truck. However, now that it’s pretty old and beat up, and I’ve moved into a denser city, I think it’s getting time for something new :(
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a small ranger
I really like my two-and-a-half-tonnes death machine. It’s small, but can still haul enough that it works perfectly fine for when I need to dispose bodies that I just ran over. But also it’s definitely not fuel efficient in the way that I’d want it to be. I wish they made something that size but newer.
My ranger is 3200 pounds.
Edit: Just checked cuz I was curious, and that is only 300 lb more than the Tesla model 3. Your comment felt rude and unnecessarily aggressive. I hope you’re having a good night.
Small???
It’s sad to say, but that generation of Ford Ranger is way smaller than trucks from the last decade.
I’ve never really been a truck guy, I also hate driving large vehicles in general and both preferences predate both my knowledge and even belief in climate change(I was raised as an evangelical in the south).
If there was something like a Ranger or an S10 from the mid-late 90s with an electric motor I’d be all over it, fuck put out an electric El Camino and I’d rip my sleeves off on the way to the dealership
There’s kits to convert the old Rangers to electric I think and there was an electric model from the 90s sold only to Ford employees. You’re definitely going to drop a ton on batteries though if you were trying to convert one yourself
That’s because it’s a Mazda in ford clothing
In the US at least, it’s the other way around. The Ford Ranger is 100% Ford, while Mazda actually rebadged the Ford Ranger as the B series for the US market.
TIL. Thanks for sharing buddy
Man, I tried finding one of those cool websites where you can put like two cars together to compare their size. But it doesn’t have the year of my ranger. But yeah, they’re smaller than the new trucks by a lot. And they weigh about half as much. If you can get one of the older Toyota’s or like a cool little Datsun, they’re a little bit smaller, but really kind of in the mid 2000s was when trucks really started blowing up in size and absurdity.
As in, not grotesquely oversized?
Have you seen a 2003 Ranger? They’re objectively small unless you are comparing them to a mini cooper or an 80s Miata.
If I want to get a small truck or something similar what can you recommend that’s available in North America? (Serious)
Basically have to import something due to the silly laws around new trucks. Kei trucks (the cool one in the picture) now cost a lot but are great.
Ones readily available include but are not limited to: Ford Maverick (getting great reviews), Toyota Tacoma, Ford Ranger.
Tbh I wouldn’t mess with much of anything else because they tend to be of questionable quality and/or look stupid.
Yikes?! A Ford RANGER is considered a small truck to you?? They’re part of the growing plague of stupidly large trucks in my part of the world!? :-/ I mean I knew the US had big trucks but I never thought the Ranger would be considered the small alternative?! We’re so screwed?! :-(
I saw a 90s ranger next to a new one and the new ranger looks like the size of a 90s f150.
It’s so shocking?! I’m looking at a Ranger out in the car park right now and trying to imagine something bigger parked out there?! It wouldn’t fit within the bounds of the parking space?! Already if there were two Rangers parked next to each other there wouldn’t be enough room to walk between them, even if you turned side on :-/ Let alone having room to be able to open the door and get in & out?!
In fact I can see that it’s had a flow on effect whereby every other parked car has had to park on the extreme edge of their space to allow room to open the door and get out. If there was one more Ranger anywhere along the line someone would be likely blocked from getting in or out of their car!
Yea all thes suggestions are huge compared to an s10 or ranger or other light truck up til the late 2000s. I hate it so much.
As I stated…it’s what’s available in the US. It’s only bigger from there.
The Ranger in the 80s and 90s was a perfectly reasonable size. The new ones are gigantic next to them, but they’re still smaller than almost anything available in the North American market.
The Tacoma is definitely not a smaller truck.
It is one of the smallest available in US. Of course I’m referring to Tacoma with a standard cab, not the People Hauler 5000 it’s basically a minivan crew cab configuration.
The Tacoma would actually be my pickup of choice. I hate the modern styling, but the Toyota build is just so solid & Ford as of late has been disappointing. To say the least. The green movement is not only based on size, but how durable a product is & if it can last for many, many years of reliable operation. Unfortunately we do not have Hilux, but Tacoma is America’s version of Hilux.
Check out the Hyundai Santa Cruz. It’s a smaller truck, but it can pull 3500lb.
Now this is just personal taste, but I really don’t like the looks of that truck. Cosmetically, I put it on the same level as the Chevy Colorado. Generally speaking, Hyundai isn’t known for quality builds like Toyota, not even close.
That said: the new Hyundai Elantra makes the short list of vehicles I’d be interested in, buying new. Scotty Kilmer praises its naturally aspirated, non-turbo engine & traditional build components. Thinks it could last a long time. 👍🏻
You can buy a really old small truck.
Really really old. I hope you are a capable mechanic.
They ain’t made em small for decades.
Loved me my '86 Ford Ranger. 4 cylinder, 5 speed, am radio, jump seats in the back, extended box. Cost C$3000 in 1998.
My dad bought a 2021 Ranger. It’s bigger than the F-150 from 1998. Insanity.
My neighbor spent about $20k buying a late 90s model Tacoma.
True, but the older ones are so much simpler to work on.
The Ford Maverick is the smallest, if that’s what you’re thinking. A bit larger, but with better towing and off-road ability, you’re looking at Ford Ranger, Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon, Toyota Tacoma, and Nissan Frontier.
Nah mate. I have a Colorado that I’ve actually used a lot and it’s still not good enough
Hyundai Santa Cruz (which I own), or the Ford Maverick.
How do you like the Santa Cruz. I’m really interested in it.
I love it so far, especially now that I got a bed extender so I can haul full sheets of plywood and such.
It’s got a ton of power under the hood. I average around 26/30mpg, but my wife averages 28/32-35mpg
It’s really roomy inside too. I’m 6’3 and this is the first vehicle I’ve driven where I didn’t have to move the seat all the way back. And people are able to sit comfortably behind me.
I highly recommend trying to get one with the tourneau cover on the bed, because it’s amazing. But don’t get the trailer hitch from them. You can save $3-400 having a local mechanic do it.
My only real gripes are that the AC blows too hard on its lowest setting (for me) if just the upper vents are blowing. The ride is also pretty smooth, so I often catch myself speeding without realizing it. Also that the steering wheel controls don’t have a play/pause button.
Nice. ok, I’ll probably check it out next week.
Ford Maverick or Hyundai Santa
FeCruz are basically the only 2 optionsI think you mean Santa Cruz? The sante fe is/was an suv
*Santa Cruz
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I’d skip the Santa Cruz largely since Hyundai/Kia are experts at cost-cutting that blows up big in customer faces down the line. (anti-theft, engines, warranty work, wiring, etc.) but your options are already limited so I wouldn’t blame you for getting it. I’d get the base engine/transmission though if you anticipate stop/go traffic or off-road use since the dual-clutch in the upper engine option is better than dry clutch models but IMHO still suspect.
I would lean towards the Maverick but neither are really “small” since they’re still pretty long.
There’s the Transit Connect if you want a cargo van that’s compact.
New? Hyundai santa cruz is probably your best bet.
If you are okay with older/used vehicles i would look for a japan import garage/dealership
(Im in canada but have seen many of these types of places across the country that import those small trucks)
