Moving the goalposts is saying the opposite of “the Democrats did” is “the Democrats would never” (when you first attempted this shift I pointed out that neither I nor the person you responded to made this claim, which is still true).
Moving the goalposts is saying that a peaceful protest that took place in the capitol is somehow “storming” the capitol in the same sense as January 6th.
Moving the goalposts is saying that a fringe group that never had the support of the Democratic party and was not made up of Democratic voters was the Democrats.
Moving the goalposts is ignoring an extremely important aspect of January 6th; an attempt to seize control of the government, which to my knowledge has never happened at the behest of the Democratic party.
You know what? Let’s move the conversation a little in the direction you’ve tried to take it, if you really want. I’ll affirm this:
No member of the current Democratic party leadership would never encourage Democratic voters to behave violently, to illegally occupy the capitol building, or to seize control of the government via undemocratic means. And, if some democrats do any of these, they will condemn it; if they have the power, they will stop it. By current Democratic party leadership, I mean Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and other similar figures. Candidates who are popular but marginalized in party structure do not count. For instance, I don’t think Bernie Sanders would either (except maybe occupying the capitol building), but he’s not part of Democratic party leadership. This is assuming that their views do not change significantly from where they are at present via unforeseen events.
And, I affirm this is plainly not true of Republican party leadership (Donald Trump, Kevin McCarthy/Mike Johnson, Mitch McConnell etc.), given the events leading up to, on, and after the January 6th insurrection. (And I will point out that since I made the strong claim of “no member would” above, proving this claim/disproving that claim means “any member did”)
No member of the current Democratic party leadership would never encourage Democratic voters to behave violently, to illegally occupy the capitol building, or to seize control of the government via undemocratic means.
Freudian slip or intentional exit loophole? Yes, you really wrote it like that, I just highlighted the double negation to draw your attention to it. But as it is written, I would agree, and here is why. Yes, not everyone in this video is part of the Democratic party leadership, some of them are just prominent members or supporters, but you’ll definitely see some of the people you explicitly mentioned doing some of the things you’d say they would never do. And it’s good to hear that you condemn all of this, but they DID say it, that is not up for dispute.
Now I’m looking forward to you showing me video proof of your claim about Republican leadership calling for violence on or around January 6th, because apart from Trump telling people to “fight light hell” (followed by the reminder to “peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard”), I haven’t seen any. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, I’m well aware that I am biased and may have just as big of a blind spot as you do.
Moving the goalposts is saying the opposite of “the Democrats did” is “the Democrats would never” (when you first attempted this shift I pointed out that neither I nor the person you responded to made this claim, which is still true).
Moving the goalposts is saying that a peaceful protest that took place in the capitol is somehow “storming” the capitol in the same sense as January 6th.
Moving the goalposts is saying that a fringe group that never had the support of the Democratic party and was not made up of Democratic voters was the Democrats.
Moving the goalposts is ignoring an extremely important aspect of January 6th; an attempt to seize control of the government, which to my knowledge has never happened at the behest of the Democratic party.
You know what? Let’s move the conversation a little in the direction you’ve tried to take it, if you really want. I’ll affirm this:
No member of the current Democratic party leadership would never encourage Democratic voters to behave violently, to illegally occupy the capitol building, or to seize control of the government via undemocratic means. And, if some democrats do any of these, they will condemn it; if they have the power, they will stop it. By current Democratic party leadership, I mean Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and other similar figures. Candidates who are popular but marginalized in party structure do not count. For instance, I don’t think Bernie Sanders would either (except maybe occupying the capitol building), but he’s not part of Democratic party leadership. This is assuming that their views do not change significantly from where they are at present via unforeseen events.
And, I affirm this is plainly not true of Republican party leadership (Donald Trump, Kevin McCarthy/Mike Johnson, Mitch McConnell etc.), given the events leading up to, on, and after the January 6th insurrection. (And I will point out that since I made the strong claim of “no member would” above, proving this claim/disproving that claim means “any member did”)
Freudian slip or intentional exit loophole? Yes, you really wrote it like that, I just highlighted the double negation to draw your attention to it. But as it is written, I would agree, and here is why. Yes, not everyone in this video is part of the Democratic party leadership, some of them are just prominent members or supporters, but you’ll definitely see some of the people you explicitly mentioned doing some of the things you’d say they would never do. And it’s good to hear that you condemn all of this, but they DID say it, that is not up for dispute.
Now I’m looking forward to you showing me video proof of your claim about Republican leadership calling for violence on or around January 6th, because apart from Trump telling people to “fight light hell” (followed by the reminder to “peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard”), I haven’t seen any. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, I’m well aware that I am biased and may have just as big of a blind spot as you do.
Ah, you caught me. Anyway, sure, you win. Have a nice life.
In that case, well played, Sir. Until next time.