You’ll probably make more progress when you learn to accept and respect yourself. Losing a lot of weight is extraordinarily difficult and it’ll take as long or longer than the amount of time it took to put it on. You’ll have regressions and make mistakes. Your key will be neck breakingly slow but constant progress and being gentle on yourself, plus being surrounded by supportive people. I’m sorry you feel that you’re disgusting but I don’t.
My mom lost 70 pounds and then gained back 20 in the last 5 years. That’s less than a pound per month, a 100 calorie deficit. She still eats a lot but I think that’s what makes her successful. She has a long way to go but I never forget to tell her she’s kicking ass because she is. You’d tell her that too. Now tell yourself.
Everyone is different. For me, mockery was much more motivating. While it was not a good place, browsing r/FatPeopleHate was what got me to finally get in shape
Lost it a lot faster than it took to get it, for the record
Whether you criticize or pity them, you’re disrespecting their autonomy.
Who cares?
No I’m serious, why the fuck should I care about their autonomy when they’ve proven that they’re irresponsible with it? Should I be careful complaining about used heroin needles in the street because it might ‘disrespect the heroin addicts autonomy’?
These are severely ill people who will die prematurely even if they get the help that they need. Do you walk up to cancer patients and go: “oh you are so beautiful just the way you are, never change”?
That’s the thing though. We do care for suicidal people in this society. We should care even if they’re killing themselves slowly. It’s not a choice they’re making. It’s literally mental illness.
Lol no. There’s a point of derision. You can’t act like something this absurd is a functional reality in their head. At some point we have to say “stop it” and that point was way before it got to using handcarts for diabetes juice.
Edit: and that’s before considering that their poor choices lead to higher insurance rates for people with self control.
Telling an obese person to “stop it” is like telling a depressed person to stop being depressed, it totally ignores the underlying reasons.
I’ve struggled weight wise my entire life, been up and down 50 kilos over a decade, since actually getting an ADHD diagnosis and therapy it’s trending downwards to where I want it to be.
I strongly believe from my own experiences (and others I know) there’s a strong addiction component to obesity, would you describe smokers as having poor self control? There’s a massive mental health (and genetic for that matter) component to obesity that’s frankly overlooked, often can be a trauma response, maladaptive coping mechanism or as I said, addiction.
Have you ever talked to an obese person? My weight is/was a huge source of my self negativity, not a single person I know actually likes being obese, don’t want to be that way, that cycle of self loathing is a spiral and it’s really hard to break that, especially when society sees fit to attribute the entire condition to some sort of moral failing that makes it even harder for people to want to ask for help, let alone receive it.
I’m lucky, I’ve always been pretty active so judicious food logging + exercise works for me (and has in the past), others not so much. GLP-1 Agonists are an absolute godsend for people who really struggle from what I’ve been told (my ADHD meds kill appetite too, totally won’t discount their contribution) they totally kill any food noise, actually helps keep them satiated, and importantly, kills their food stress response. Literally life changing, enabling them to actually get to a place where they can sustain it.
All of this is just the mental health components, there’s other barriers in some places, food deserts are absolutely a thing and lack of walkable neighbourhoods does not help either.
I agree that there is a mental health component there. I have ADHD as well and used to smoke. But I never flung it in the face of society by smoking 3 cigarettes at once in public as a “fuck you”. There’s a limit to that excuse. I know how ADHD works and it doesn’t discount some amount of shame. This? This is shameful. ADHD people aren’t completely unaware, I know it’s hard, but it’s also not a complete excuse to be this obtuse.
Insurance works as a risk pool. If you have an increased number of high cost members in the pool, such as those prone to all the conditions long known to be associated with morbid obesity, it raises the cost outlays for the pool, and thus by association the premiums demanded to cover said costs.
Money in must equal money out plus administrative costs, spend more out, need more in, from everyone, or should we selectively charge the hight cost members more?
You’ve been all over the post making absurd statements of them being CEOs, writing someones’s policy, or that these two specifically where blamed for the US healthcare.
If you have a larger proportion of unhealthy people in a population, particularly with preventable conditions simply by making better choices to live healthier lives, then you inevitably will have more costs to bear as a society, weather that’s in the current fractured insurance world or a single payer system which amounts to one universal insurance pool paid by the public taxes.
To claim otherwise is just as impossible as to say we should make no efforts at preventing and discouraging smoking. Cancer costs money and if someone costs the entity footing the bill $$$ it’s going to come from somewhere.
So that’s either all of us and we all pay for the other’s bad choices, or we collectively look to minimize the pursuit of bad choices, or when selectively burden those making bad choices with the bill for them.
Nobody wants to be in that shape, nor to be photographed and mocked online like this.
My heart goes out to those folks, and I sincerely hope they can find the help they need to turn around their unhealthy lifestyles.
Speaking as a disgusting fat bastard myself, feel free to criticise and mock me as much as you want.
Maybe it’ll finally motivate me to do something about it.
Right, that’ll work.
You’ll probably make more progress when you learn to accept and respect yourself. Losing a lot of weight is extraordinarily difficult and it’ll take as long or longer than the amount of time it took to put it on. You’ll have regressions and make mistakes. Your key will be neck breakingly slow but constant progress and being gentle on yourself, plus being surrounded by supportive people. I’m sorry you feel that you’re disgusting but I don’t.
My mom lost 70 pounds and then gained back 20 in the last 5 years. That’s less than a pound per month, a 100 calorie deficit. She still eats a lot but I think that’s what makes her successful. She has a long way to go but I never forget to tell her she’s kicking ass because she is. You’d tell her that too. Now tell yourself.
Everyone is different. For me, mockery was much more motivating. While it was not a good place, browsing r/FatPeopleHate was what got me to finally get in shape
Lost it a lot faster than it took to get it, for the record
Well, sounds like you got the result you wanted for the wrong reason. But glad it worked out
Self hate is approximately as good a motivator as ridicule, ie a negative one.
Depression or whatever the damage is isn’t solved with more trauma.
To start climbing out of your hole your first step is forgiving yourself for not being perfect.
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Who cares?
No I’m serious, why the fuck should I care about their autonomy when they’ve proven that they’re irresponsible with it? Should I be careful complaining about used heroin needles in the street because it might ‘disrespect the heroin addicts autonomy’?
Fuck your entire argument, it’s stupid.
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These are severely ill people who will die prematurely even if they get the help that they need. Do you walk up to cancer patients and go: “oh you are so beautiful just the way you are, never change”?
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That’s the thing though. We do care for suicidal people in this society. We should care even if they’re killing themselves slowly. It’s not a choice they’re making. It’s literally mental illness.
As a suicidal person, no we fucking don’t care about suicidal people in this society.
Lol no. There’s a point of derision. You can’t act like something this absurd is a functional reality in their head. At some point we have to say “stop it” and that point was way before it got to using handcarts for diabetes juice.
Edit: and that’s before considering that their poor choices lead to higher insurance rates for people with self control.
Telling an obese person to “stop it” is like telling a depressed person to stop being depressed, it totally ignores the underlying reasons.
I’ve struggled weight wise my entire life, been up and down 50 kilos over a decade, since actually getting an ADHD diagnosis and therapy it’s trending downwards to where I want it to be.
I strongly believe from my own experiences (and others I know) there’s a strong addiction component to obesity, would you describe smokers as having poor self control? There’s a massive mental health (and genetic for that matter) component to obesity that’s frankly overlooked, often can be a trauma response, maladaptive coping mechanism or as I said, addiction.
Have you ever talked to an obese person? My weight is/was a huge source of my self negativity, not a single person I know actually likes being obese, don’t want to be that way, that cycle of self loathing is a spiral and it’s really hard to break that, especially when society sees fit to attribute the entire condition to some sort of moral failing that makes it even harder for people to want to ask for help, let alone receive it.
I’m lucky, I’ve always been pretty active so judicious food logging + exercise works for me (and has in the past), others not so much. GLP-1 Agonists are an absolute godsend for people who really struggle from what I’ve been told (my ADHD meds kill appetite too, totally won’t discount their contribution) they totally kill any food noise, actually helps keep them satiated, and importantly, kills their food stress response. Literally life changing, enabling them to actually get to a place where they can sustain it.
All of this is just the mental health components, there’s other barriers in some places, food deserts are absolutely a thing and lack of walkable neighbourhoods does not help either.
I agree that there is a mental health component there. I have ADHD as well and used to smoke. But I never flung it in the face of society by smoking 3 cigarettes at once in public as a “fuck you”. There’s a limit to that excuse. I know how ADHD works and it doesn’t discount some amount of shame. This? This is shameful. ADHD people aren’t completely unaware, I know it’s hard, but it’s also not a complete excuse to be this obtuse.
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Insurance works as a risk pool. If you have an increased number of high cost members in the pool, such as those prone to all the conditions long known to be associated with morbid obesity, it raises the cost outlays for the pool, and thus by association the premiums demanded to cover said costs.
Money in must equal money out plus administrative costs, spend more out, need more in, from everyone, or should we selectively charge the hight cost members more?
Of course not, that would be fatphobic. /s
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Bad troll, be less obvious
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You’ve been all over the post making absurd statements of them being CEOs, writing someones’s policy, or that these two specifically where blamed for the US healthcare.
If you have a larger proportion of unhealthy people in a population, particularly with preventable conditions simply by making better choices to live healthier lives, then you inevitably will have more costs to bear as a society, weather that’s in the current fractured insurance world or a single payer system which amounts to one universal insurance pool paid by the public taxes.
To claim otherwise is just as impossible as to say we should make no efforts at preventing and discouraging smoking. Cancer costs money and if someone costs the entity footing the bill $$$ it’s going to come from somewhere.
So that’s either all of us and we all pay for the other’s bad choices, or we collectively look to minimize the pursuit of bad choices, or when selectively burden those making bad choices with the bill for them.
My heart goes out for them too since their own is probably about to stop