The Reverend Sue Parfitt, from Bristol, was detained for holding a placard that read: “I oppose genocide. I support Palestine Action.” She was among more than 27 people arrested on Saturday for acts of defiance against the proscription.
Uh, I’ve had enuff of shitty news; let’s switch to another timeline.
Look at that diabolical criminal. I hope they reopen London tower just to hang her from it. After she bakes everyone cookies with afternoon tea.
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If she were in the US, she would be pushed to the ground and beaten by a bunch of white guys in riot gear and masks.
What a nice silver lining
Arresting prominent protest figures has always ended well for the UK. /s
Why is the UK against people backing Mandatory Palestine?
I dont know exactly but they are quite fond of bringing the iran monarchy back. Maybe something something oil
Mandatory Palestine
the UK is against backing “Palestine Action” which is a group that has sabotaged British military equipment. Surprisingly, the British government doesn’t take kindly to that sort of thing.
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Charming.
There is such a thing as context. Red paint on a street is an annoyance (and may make for very visible and effective protest). Red paint on hi-tech equipment is sabotage (and makes for very unpleasant reactions by the owners of said equipment).
You’re the perfect personnification of ordinary evil. Too dumb to realize you’re a genocider.
I hope you see your loved ones suffer.
It’s sabotage. It’s not terrorism. The gov is wrong to proscribe this group, you must see that? Regardless of your stance on the issue, this is an anti democratic move by Labour.
As someone stated… The police are not your friend. They are not there to serve and protect your interests. They are there to serve and protect the interests of the state you live in.
The other day my wife’s car stopped at a busy road. The police quickly arrived and asked if she had crashed on to my car. Like how can we take this unfortunate event and turn it into a profitable situation where they can impound the car…oh it’s just engine failure, well you’re blocking the road so I’ll call the most expensive possible tow truck. How can we make your day worse?
It’s so sad that it comes to this in some area’s of the world.
“Are we the baddies?”
-Said exactly 0 of the cops
I support Palestine Action - illegal
I support Action for Palestine - legal
I’m honestly impressed that a left wing organisation lasted long enough to get themselves banned.
They usually split into a dozen warring factions within a month.
I support P.A.
gets arrested
I said I support Pennsylvania, the US State!
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Maybe change Germany to the country the post is related to after copy and pasting this, it’s not they’re the only one.
Feckless cowards.
Genocide accomplices!
Everyone involved with this “law” should be tried and hung in the Hague for aiding and abetting crimes against humanity.
Let’s not hang people in The Hague now
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Just wondering, if I would hold up a sign with ‘go isreal, continue the amazing work you do!’, would that get me arrested? Surely i’d get beat up but i mean what would the lawmakers think of that? Would it be different if the sign would say ‘go isreal, murder those innocent families’ or ‘go isreal, your genocide rules!’ (am i allowed to call it a genocide if i’m not against it?)
in some countries even holding empty sign would lead you to arrest
make is sarcastic, the British way.
go on the telly, then show them a mirror to themselves. talk how excited you are for how many humanitarian volunteers are being slaughtered, how clever is it to stave children so they can take their land…
None of those signs would lead to your arrest in the UK.
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Why are you talking about Hamas in a thread about Palestine Action? The two groups are not related at all and use totally different tactics (Palestine Action is explicitly non-violent).
There is only one context in which Palestine Action is “a terrorist organization such as Hamas” and that’s the depraved legislation that the idiots in Westminster passed. The bravery of the 83 year old priest this article is about lays bare the depravity and stupidity of this absolutely idiotic legislation. Your comment on the other hand, by using this idiotic comparison buys into this aberrant degeneracy. Why do you do that?
How did this get 5 upvotes lol
I think more people have alts on lemmy than we’d like to admit. Particularly when they’re accounts spewing hasbara propaganda.
Unidan is taking AIPAC money.
without explicitly showing your allegiance
So you assume by default that there’s either an explicit or implicit support for Hamas by protesting against Israel?
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So support for Palestinians is only ok if you don’t support the one thing Palestinians could actually do to stop the senseless slaughter of more Palestinians- armed revolutionary action?
So basically one can only wave a flag and cheer against the slaughter of Palestinians by Israel while vilifying the group that Israel deems it’s enemy for checks notes dealing back the same damage dealt to Palestinians for over a century now since Zionist terrorist cells who would become the Israeli military intelligence apparatus and political elite, waged campaigns of massacres, bombings and assassinations all across British mandatory Palestine forcing the British to leave their occupation and the un to split the territory 55/45 in zionists favor. So essentially we are denied to cheer on reciprocal retribution by a population clearly wronged through decades of subjugation, brutal Oppression and genocide because of the sensibilities of colonial capitalist imperialism?
Got it
Where did they show support for Hamas?
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Yeah, they’re the ones arguing in bad faith 🙄
“Stop arguing in bad faith” *proceeds to immediately make the most bad faith argument I have seen in this thread*
trying to stop delivering arms to a terrorist group commiting genocide: terrorism
commiting genocide and deliberately killing, maiming, starving and playing cruel games with the lives of civilians and literal children: not terrorism
talk about bad faith… fuck off with all that.
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OK but where is the explicit support for Hamas that this woman was allegedly demonstrating. “Hamas” doesn’t appear in the article.
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What the fuck even is this comment, lol
Oh, I see, you think that just because the UK labeled Palestine Action a terrorist group, they actually are?
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Hey, come on over, I got a bridge to sell you!
ICE is a terrorist organization. MAGA is a terrorist organization. You must be really against both of those things, eh? They use fear tactics and scaremongering, and when that doesn’t work, they get violent real quick. And they are based on both political and religious ideology to boot!
the IOF is a terrorist organization. much bigger, more prolific and active than Hamas as well. literally a war criminal organization. funny how you never hear people getting arrested for supporting the IOF though.
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But how would I telegraph my desire to murder the Jews if I did that?
To simply imagine Palestine without settlers, to simply imagine a sky without drones—that, in the Zionist imagination, is genocidal. If you stick with the “want” of the charge, the notion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews, you find that Zionism is at war with our future. It is at war with our ability to articulate, even if only through poems and protest chants, a future in which Zionism does not reign. For in the past 100 years, Zionism has situated us in a condition of constant dispossession and premature death; our Nakba remains and renews. We are besieged in an inescapable, eternal present tense.
Mohammed El-Kurd
What really happened here: Members of this Palestine Action group sneaked onto a military base and attacked the aircrafts there. This act of politically motivated vandalism resulted in this group being officially banned by the government. Which is totally ok, no state in the world will and can tolerate some group doing acts of terrorism and/or doing sabotage.
Supporting banned terrorist organizations is of course also not allowed (which really makes sense) and yeah, this priest totally did that on purpose. You are therefore totally fine holding up a sign supporting Israel and you are also totally fine holding up a sign supporting Palestine, but you are not fine holding up signs supporting banned organizations.
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Nah, Labeling them as “terrorists” is disproportionate.
Criminals, yes. Terrorists, no.
The definition of terrorism under british law can apply to basically any protest group and if applied retroactively would drag things like the suffragette movement under the umbrella of terrorism.
This move is an assault on all of our freedom of speech
You’re equating vandalism to terrorism, you might want to look up the meaning of those words.
The British House of Commons voted by 385 votes to 26 to add Palestine Action to the list of terrorist groups proscribed under the Terrorism Act. Maybe you want to tell us why your definition of terrorism is different from the one in the British parliament?
The UK is a zionist occupied government.
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Because they are unfairly biased in favor of Israel. The U.S. has shown its bias by denying the war crimes that every serious scholar has agreed is happening. The state of Israel itself has tried to shoehorn “criticism of the state of Israel” into the definition of antisemitism.
Governments will stretch and distort definitions to suit their purposes.
Because i’m not a hypocrite, unlike the british parliament.
That vote just shows us the British House of Commons is full of racists. Nothing new there.
Attacked aircraft? By smacking the landing gear with her walker?
Please inform yourself: People of the Palestine Action group have sneaked upon a british military airfield and sprayed paint into the jet engines of several RAF planes.
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So? Did the paint damage the planes? The RAF should give them an award for exposing the vulnerabilities in its security measures.
Yes, putting paint into a jet engine damages a jet engine.
Bootlicker
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What really happened is already in the article, my questions are about how lawmakers would respond if you openly support the same side they are supporting. That is especially relevant as r i don’t expect regular folk to let me walk around showing the same kind of support for genocide. This has nothing to do with the Palestine Action group and what they did or didn’t do.
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Now I understand more closely Starmer’s subservience to America’s Donald Trump.
Zion Don inspired Kier to up his slobbering and bootlicking.
They’re calling these people terrorists for holding signs calling for the end of Israel’s genocide. They’re not calling the people who have been committing genocide every day terrorists: they’re valuable allies. This is the UK Government’s morality. I hope it’s not shared by the British people.
Technically it’s because some members of the group trespassed in a military base and vandalised an airplane. Which is trespassing and vandalism. Not terrorism. Unless Starmer has been watching too much Thomas & the Friends and Pixar’s Cars and believes that the poor planes can’t sleep at night anymore, because they are terrified.
“We’re civilised people, we can excuse genocide, but throwing paint and saying mean words is a step too far.”
Also, even if a few members organize themselves to do that, that doesn’t mean the entire organization supports it or is behind it.
Some definitions of Terrorism also include property damage
Oooh, waaah, muh paint!
Big deal. The UK has billions of pounds from selling arms to the Apartheid Zionist state
On the outside of the engine I agree.
On the inside there are moving parts that probably don’t like increased friction, so they probably have to take the whole thing apart to remove the paint.
It’s still not really destruction of property.
Big deal. The UK has billions of pounds from selling arms to the genocidal apartheid zionist state.
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Well definitions can include anything and everything. They can also be debased to the point of being useless, or in the case of crimes of being the engine of witch hunts.
I do not believe inanimate objects can experience terror, so I also don’t agree with the definition. But I don’t write the laws.
Polling consistently shows disapproval for Israeli actions in Gaza.
What if it is an excuse to put people that openly oppose colonialism and authority under control and fear? They maybe don’t care that much for Israel but why miss this opportunity?
It is not
No they’re not. There’s a difference between “Palestine Action” (the group) and “actions and other stuff in favour of Palestine”. The former has been banned, the latter has not. Protesting is legal in the UK; vandalising Air Force equipment is not.
Damaging equipment that is being used to conduct genocide is not vandalism, it’s human fucking decency.
True, but I wasn’t aware that the RAF are currently flying sorties into any ongoing genocide.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqg440v0gxo
They are not doing the bombing in Gaza. They are protecting the ones doing the bombing in Gaza.
You might want to re-read that article. It doesn’t mention Gaza once. Here are some quotes:
“fighting between Israel and Iran”
“protect UK personnel and bases in the Middle East”
“we’ve never been involved in attacking with Israel”
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Oh I’m sorry, I thought the recent moves deepening the existing framework was proof enough. You want to go back instead.
Let’s try this one: https://aje.io/78f3r5
how dare you bring logic to a circlejerk
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Yes, that is vandalism by definition.
“Vandalism is the action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property.[1] The term includes property damage, such as graffiti and defacement directed towards any property without permission of the owner.”
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That’s sounds like vandalism, which confirms what the other guy said.
And there’s no need for insults.
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That’s the definition of vandalism. Feel free to open a dictionary and educate yourself.
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What has point of sale to do with genocide?
Please tell me where you park your car and your number plate. I will then throw red paint on it. If a bit of paint can damage your car, why did you spend 40.000€ on it?
Just listen to yourself - of course throwing paint into an aircraft engine will damage a plane. This is exactly why this group did it. And there is nothing to prevent this - throwing paint will destroy every engine and esp. jet engines. If you do not believe me, throw a bucket of paint into your car engine. You can support Palestine, but please use your brain and try to think about some things before posting. You can do better than this.
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The Thought Police are now in your timeline
