• blazeknave@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I agree and fucking hate the regime. Can’t wait for them to live free.

    But, Jon Stewart got through to me the other day with video clips of Netanyahu claiming the nukes were almost built over and over for 15 years. I’m anti war and and don’t want another Iraq under false pretense. I would love for the people to get their democracy back without casualty.

    I believe it’s the reason the West is in Israel. And that it’s probably only under control bc of that. But questioning the legitimacy of there being any urgency.

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      22 hours ago

      Does no one remember STUXNET? We’ve been sabotaging their efforts to create a nuke for a long time.

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      1 day ago

      Absolutely NOBODY involved in this escalation gives one single fuck AT ALL about liberating the Iranian people. None. Nobody. Zilch. Zero. This is PURELY a capitalist venture to enrich assholes and fuel the power of radical fascists. There is ZERO benefit to ANYONE else. None. Zilch. Zero.

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        22 hours ago

        I don’t disagree with you. And I hate war. And I know this will kill civilians, many more than a civic upheaval.

        But the citizens do not want the IR. Hopefully silver lining is western colonial investment in rebuilding infrastructure (obvi for a price and a vig) with more democratic elections, that get them on a path back to the West. Is oil + oligarchy a problem? No shit. Resources should be nationalized and socialized across the globe, different problem.

        Will there be pain during transition to democracy, yes. Will there be democracy without any regime change, unfortunately not.

        I’m not saying anything happening is good. But I would be lying to say I wouldn’t enjoy watching their leadership burned to the ground. I know my Persian friends feel the same.

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          18 hours ago

          Yeah there’s nothing that Americans love more than obliterating the hell out of foreign countries and then having to pay for rebuilding it all

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      1 day ago

      claiming the nukes were almost built over and over for 15 years

      I don’t understand this argument tho. Why can’t it be true? it takes time to enrich uranium like that and it’s actually possible that it took Iran 15 years to get here especially with so much opposition, no? Do you remember Stuxnet - with this amount of sabotage it’s totally possible it would take 15 or many more years to get to proper enrichment.

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        1 day ago

        It was totally possible that Iraq had WMDs, but we had fuck all for proof then and it turned out to be a lie. We’ve got fuck all for proof now and the same motives as before, there’s absolutely no reason to give the US and our allies the benefit of the doubt.