systemd cat and GNU cat hugging a Linux cat.

  • talEnglish
    2·
    3 hours ago

    GNU cat

    You mean GNU cat?

  • Lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    117·
    4 hours ago

    systemd is fine. The only people I’ve ever heard complain about it are lonely neckbeards pretending like their opinion somehow matters.

    I’ve used Debian as a server system since it was using init.d. And do you know what I found? systemd is easier. And the fact that Debian of all distros decided to use it says a lot.

  • Raccoonn@lemmy.ml
    7·
    8 hours ago

    System service managers like systemd, OpenRC, runit, or SysVinit often come down to user preference. While these systems are crucial for initializing and managing services on servers, where uptime, resource allocation, and specific daemon behaviors are important, their impact on a typical desktop or laptop is generally minimal.

    For most personal devices, the primary functions of a service manager occur largely out of sight. As long as the system boots reliably and applications run smoothly, the underlying service manager rarely registers as a significant factor in the daily user experience.

    For many, including myself, systemd simply works without much fuss. My choice to stick with it isn’t due to strong conviction or deep technical analysis, but rather the simple fact that I’ve rarely, if ever, had to interact with it directly. For my personal desktop and laptop, it reliably handles booting, service management, and shutdown in the background. If it’s not broken and isn’t hindering my daily computing, there’s no compelling reason to explore alternatives.

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
      4·
      5 hours ago

      System service managers like systemd, OpenRC, runit, or SysVinit often come down to user preference.

      And coding best-practice. And a philosophy borne of bad luck and bad software that aims to resist monoculture.

      But that lennart kid is cool for a Microsoft employee.

    • mittorn@masturbated.one
      02·
      8 hours ago

      @furycd001 @nutbutter Technically, it’s broken. If you run screen/tmux built without systemd support, it will be killed on logout. Systemd requires every program that needs daemonize link libsystemd0 only to notify systemd to keep it running. So it’s broken, but worked-around in every software which need daemonize

      • Lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        4·
        4 hours ago

        So, running a program incompatible with a particular system leads to incompatibilities?

        Wow, who’d have thought…

  • boaratio@lemmy.world
    328·
    11 hours ago

    So the old init.d system was better? Come on people, let’s stop infighting. I have zero preference on init systems. You know why? Because they’re just plumbing. Stop this nonsense. Do I click on an init system? Do I use the init system to check my email? Or play games? No. I know poettering can be controversial, but let’s just move on. Run freebsd if you’re so butt hurry.

    • 10001110101@lemm.eeEnglish
      2·
      2 hours ago

      So much more than an init system though, which I think is why people don’t like it. Personally, the only annoyance I have is I preferred log files over journald.

    • dblsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de
      211·
      10 hours ago

      Yeah, on a desktop I don’t really mind whatever*. On a server however, I think systemd is great and I wouldn’t want to miss it anymore.

      * except Debian’s frankenstein systemd + sysvinit combination. Burn it

  • serenissi@lemmy.world
    5·
    9 hours ago

    There are few system manager (single project or a mix of components) that use linux features efficiently and none have dev resource remotely comparable to systemd. That’s why in practice systemd is the best system layer implementation on gnu/linux. Android and chromeos userland (upstart derived) are not exactly (freedesktop) gnu/linux.

    EDIT: the post ask which OS though. Including userland I like android a lot, but I would say illumos distros (OI currently). illumos has a system management similar to systemd (contracts in place of cgroups for example). Actually systemd was heavily inspired by SMF too.

  • NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
    374·
    14 hours ago

    As a user, why should I care whether the distro I use uses systemd? I use Mint and I don’t remember having to interact with that kind of low-level nonsense. The distro maintainers can use whatever reasoning they want to pick these details.

    • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nl
      1·
      4 hours ago

      As a user, why should I care whether the distro I use uses systemd?

      Um, because as a user you may have to deal with services, or other systemd features?

      Let’s say you want to start ssh-agent when you login to your desktop environment. Well, there’s a systemd service for that that you can enable, and on another distro you’d have to do it another way (autostart script or something).

    • notabot@piefed.socialEnglish
      7·
      10 hours ago

      If you are just a user, in that a computer is just a tool you use, then you’re right, there’s comparatively little reason to be concerened or even know about the underlying details of the system. If you go further and start making changes to your system, or even building more complex systems, over time you will find yourself forming quite firm opinions about various parts of the underlying system, especially if you’ve had experience with other options.

    • kautau@lemmy.world
      13·
      12 hours ago

      Tribalism exists in every circle, perhaps moreso in tech circles. Ironically anyone who hates on a distro could just switch, or build their own distro if they were so inclined, but it’s often the hating that people participate more in than using their system. Use what works for you, and if it no longer works for you use something else.