Is Proton still an alternative? I subscribed to Tuta for a year but I’m not too happy with their apps. Feels like low-grade web apps disguised as mobile apps.
I’d say yes. Have been using ProtonMail as main mail service for several years now. There are some limitations because of encryption, but for the most part it’s working almost the same as GMail. I’ve had Tutamail too, but I too didn’t like the design of their app, it was very restricted and lacked features of almost any kind.
Sadly, that is true for many email providers. I do use Tuta, because I use web apps only. However, a decent provider is Disroot. You do have to set up the encryption things by yourself, but IIRC, you can use any desktop/mobile/whatever client you want to.
Absolutely not, Proton’s CEO went on a rant about how he loves Trump. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s all funneled to his dad Putin. I’ve been looking for Proton thats not Proton
He never said he loved Trump. He said he supported the push against big tech which seemed most likely with republicans.
Yes still very dumb and republicans are lying sacks of shit.
I dont use proton and I’m kinda sceptical about them. Especially since Switzerland is potentionaly introducing a very privacy unfriendly law. And also because of said tweet, but please state facts and don’t exaggerate since it really doesn’t help with anything.
The tweet (can a tweet even qualify as a rant, given the length?):
Great pick by @readDonaldTrump. 10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys [small businesses, n.d.r. as explained on reddit], but today the tables have completely turned. People forget that the current antitrust actions against Big Tech were started under the first Trump admin.
I think I’m leaning towards your side here. I’m sorry for starting a war in the comments, by the way. 😅 It was a hot topic!
I still find it weird that the Proton CEO is so adamant about pitting republicans against democrats so hard, like it’s black or white, red pill vs blue pill. If he supports the choice that was made, he could easily just say that he thinks the choice was good, without putting all the focus on who made the choice. That’s the weird part for me. 😓 That’s what makes me suspicious of the intentions of the tweet.
But yeah, anyway, it definitely wasn’t a love letter like that, no. 👍
And that’s why I am calling you out for misrepresenting the facts.
There is just no way that tweet can be interpreted as a “rant to say he loves trump”.
So, “there has been a controversy about a tweet from the CEO who praises Trump’s pick for antitrust and saw it as a confirmation that republicans are more likely to pursue antitrust battles against big tech, compared to democrats” =/= “the CEO went on a rant to say how he loves Trump”.
Disagree, it completely reads as a tweet supporting trump, and the “official response” that was later contracted by a more moderate official response definitely felt like a rant.
I’ve been watching Proton since then and they’ve very much backed away from the ceo’s pro-Trump pro-Republican position, so I’ve continued to use their services, but mostly because I’ve already invested time and money into using them. But they lost my trust and I have not recommended them in the same way I used it before this happened.
Supporting his choices and the Republican party at large is the problematic part. I don’t care if he loves Trump or not.
“Here is our official response, also available on the Mastodon post in the screenshot: Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation. Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills fora vote. At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up JD Vance. By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand. Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost. Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.”
Supporting his choices and the Republican party at large is the problematic part. I don’t care if he loves Trump or not.
He supported one choice, and for motivated reasons. You can disagree. It doesn’t matter to me, but saying that republicans can do better than democrats in fighting big tech in the antitrust space doesn’t make you a trump supporter. Especially when democrats shat their pants within this space.
Also I know you don’t care, but the person I was responding to misrepresented the facts saying that he loves Trump.
So yeah, this opinion doesn’t make anybody a fascist, a Nazi, a Trump lover etc.
It’s a totally legitimate critique of democrats actions, couple with an (unwarranted, in my opinion) optimistic take on republicans, in a specific context.
The fact that the american political debate is so toxic that even expressing this opinion is a problem is something to reflect on.
Tons of people talking about democrats having faults (but republican being worse), but when someone points out actual things that historically Republicans did better than democrats (again, the very narrow context of antitrust vs big tech, which Republicans pushed because twitter, google etc. were mostly dem-leaning years ago) immediately the pitchforks are taken.
Is Proton still an alternative? I subscribed to Tuta for a year but I’m not too happy with their apps. Feels like low-grade web apps disguised as mobile apps.
Used it for years now, 100% worth the money and the bundled cloud storage and vpn are both great.
I’d say yes. Have been using ProtonMail as main mail service for several years now. There are some limitations because of encryption, but for the most part it’s working almost the same as GMail. I’ve had Tutamail too, but I too didn’t like the design of their app, it was very restricted and lacked features of almost any kind.
I think their new (not so new anymore) mobile app has been a major improvement. It is much faster and usable IMHO. This on Android (degoogled).
I am quite happy with the service, and so is my family (non-techie).
Sadly, that is true for many email providers. I do use Tuta, because I use web apps only. However, a decent provider is Disroot. You do have to set up the encryption things by yourself, but IIRC, you can use any desktop/mobile/whatever client you want to.
Absolutely not, Proton’s CEO went on a rant about how he loves Trump. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s all funneled to his dad Putin. I’ve been looking for Proton thats not Proton
He never said he loved Trump. He said he supported the push against big tech which seemed most likely with republicans.
Yes still very dumb and republicans are lying sacks of shit.
I dont use proton and I’m kinda sceptical about them. Especially since Switzerland is potentionaly introducing a very privacy unfriendly law. And also because of said tweet, but please state facts and don’t exaggerate since it really doesn’t help with anything.
The tweet (can a tweet even qualify as a rant, given the length?):
A rant about how he loves Trump?
I think I’m leaning towards your side here. I’m sorry for starting a war in the comments, by the way. 😅 It was a hot topic!
I still find it weird that the Proton CEO is so adamant about pitting republicans against democrats so hard, like it’s black or white, red pill vs blue pill. If he supports the choice that was made, he could easily just say that he thinks the choice was good, without putting all the focus on who made the choice. That’s the weird part for me. 😓 That’s what makes me suspicious of the intentions of the tweet.
But yeah, anyway, it definitely wasn’t a love letter like that, no. 👍
https://techissuestoday.com/proton-ceo-responds-to-backlash-after-his-post-supporting-trump-selection/
Most companies don’t have these PR problems
I know the facts.
And that’s why I am calling you out for misrepresenting the facts. There is just no way that tweet can be interpreted as a “rant to say he loves trump”.
So, “there has been a controversy about a tweet from the CEO who praises Trump’s pick for antitrust and saw it as a confirmation that republicans are more likely to pursue antitrust battles against big tech, compared to democrats” =/= “the CEO went on a rant to say how he loves Trump”.
Disagree, it completely reads as a tweet supporting trump, and the “official response” that was later contracted by a more moderate official response definitely felt like a rant.
I’ve been watching Proton since then and they’ve very much backed away from the ceo’s pro-Trump pro-Republican position, so I’ve continued to use their services, but mostly because I’ve already invested time and money into using them. But they lost my trust and I have not recommended them in the same way I used it before this happened.
There is not a single comment either on reddit or elsewhere that shows love for Trump. Supporting a Trump’s choice doesn’t mean supporting Trump.
Supporting his choices and the Republican party at large is the problematic part. I don’t care if he loves Trump or not.
“Here is our official response, also available on the Mastodon post in the screenshot: Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation. Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills fora vote. At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up JD Vance. By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand. Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost. Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.”
Is that quote supposed to make us agree with you? Reads as quite reasonable to me
He supported one choice, and for motivated reasons. You can disagree. It doesn’t matter to me, but saying that republicans can do better than democrats in fighting big tech in the antitrust space doesn’t make you a trump supporter. Especially when democrats shat their pants within this space.
Also I know you don’t care, but the person I was responding to misrepresented the facts saying that he loves Trump.
So yeah, this opinion doesn’t make anybody a fascist, a Nazi, a Trump lover etc. It’s a totally legitimate critique of democrats actions, couple with an (unwarranted, in my opinion) optimistic take on republicans, in a specific context.
The fact that the american political debate is so toxic that even expressing this opinion is a problem is something to reflect on. Tons of people talking about democrats having faults (but republican being worse), but when someone points out actual things that historically Republicans did better than democrats (again, the very narrow context of antitrust vs big tech, which Republicans pushed because twitter, google etc. were mostly dem-leaning years ago) immediately the pitchforks are taken.