On today’s episode of Uncanny Valley, we discuss how WIRED was able to legally 3D-print the same gun allegedly used by Luigi Mangione, and where US law stands on the technology.
Model link? 😏
Republicans be Pro-2A until the rich are threatened.
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
It’s funny how everyone has a sacred quote in support of their own beliefs.
Reminds me of those jokingly exaggerated portrayals of Muslims arguing on something, where in one place in Quran the prophet said this, and in another place the prophet said that, and such a renowned theologist interpreted the confusion thus, and another one a different way.
Everything humans make turns into a religion. Asimov got it backwards, that the Foundation could use their advantage in knowledge as a religion for barbarians, but IRL the Foundation itself wouldn’t be able to control it all becoming religion.
I mean, OK, the Foundation evolved there, and their practices backfiring on them were one of the reasons, something had to be changed. I hope real life analogues have some plans for that.
I like to use quotes because they’re less likely to be misinterpreted than my own words saying the same thing.
“Property is theft!”
— Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
“Experience demonstrates that there may be a wages of slavery only a little less galling and crushing in its effects than chattel slavery, and that this slavery of wages must go down with the other.”
— Frederick Douglass
At some point I could allow that Proudhon can be right in that quote, in something accordingly built.
Then I realized that property is unavoidable, even not in our current specific sense, any resource attachment to a consumer is property.
Sides in which should be responsible for their actions, for a society to be self-regulating in any way.
And only a human can be responsible, a real human, not a construct like a group or a company. And responsibility can’t be passed on.
Initially I thought this is right-wing thought, until I also realized that, 1) today’s financial mechanisms can’t exist with these rules, they involve plenty of responsibility sharing and shifting, 2) the right-left arguments remaining after adopting these rules are limited to the status of gifts and inheritance, as in - can you possibly inherit what another person, even your parent, made, and can one gift a property without the tail of responsibility, which would be all of their personal responsibilities.
I guess the typical marxist idea of separation of personal and private property (the former is fine, the latter is not) is in practice good enough to be combined with these for some clear set of rules. The border is arbitrary (just like dividing people into classes and calling some instruments means of production and some not), but so is every border.
Anyway, what I meant was that you referred to authority. You could have quoted an explanation why everyone should be armed, instead you quoted a direction.
Rich Republicans tbh. For the poor ones it’s when race or “the gays” gets involved,.
Do they have a transcript? I can’t stand listening to podcasts for long
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Yes
tl;dr printers got cheaper
And they wirk with more than plastic. I have had that conversation several times. People honestly think all 3d printers can do is cheap plastic.
What else do they work with?
Metals, catbon fiber but I heard thise nozzles wear out fast. One printer i saw used lasers to weld metal powder into shapes layer by layer.
Some mad scientist in Scotland claims to have gotten his printing stem cells. He’s trying to figure out how to print replacement organs that have no chance of rejection
biocompatible bone too
Oh yeah, I forget about sintered metal printers. Which is funny because that’s one of the first ones I saw.
Carbon fibre is a big one.
And better and people got better at making 3d printed guns.
Printers improved too.
I started listening but was immediately assaulted by a progressive insurance ad so I am gonna go elsewhere lmao
No plastic can withstand the pressure and shock from the propulsion of the shot, nor the heat or the friction generated. The 3D printed whatever is a fallacy. The only thing you can print is cute things you can attach to whatever.
Yeah, cute things like an unregistered glock 19 lower printed at a 45 degree angle out of pla+ you can attach to a trigger and rails via pins, rails that themselves connect to a glock 19 upper?
Hmmm…
That’s the rub, you can make that more functional with simple tools like hammer, pliers, shears, sheet metal, drill press, aluminum extrusion. None of those things are controversial or subject to regulations.
If you’re looking to have an argument about regulations, I believe you’ll find I’m a poor choice. I support more relaxed regulations on the guns themselves than you likely do, much less regulating things that can be used to make guns. Suppressors should be seen as safety equipment rather than locked behind an antiquated tax, SBR/SBS should be removed from that same tax system not because of safety but simply because the NFA was bad and pointless from the start, people between the age of 18 and 21 still deserve their rights (OR we need to raise the age of legal adulthood to 21, including military service and trying people as an adult, but the mix-matched mess is nonsense), there’s more but that’s enough controversial opinions on regulation to make my point:
Tl;dr I don’t support regulation of much, including any of that stuff you said. Fact still remains that printing a chairmanwon g19 is very, very possible. I won’t even bring up how much easier it is than learning how to use a lathe nor how much cheaper it is to buy an ender3 than a CNC mill.
It’s a hell of a statement considering theres tons of videos and evidence that prove the opposite of what you just said.
You 3D print the frame, which is plastic on many modern pistols nowadays anyway. Then buy a barrel and a slide online, which don’t require a background check as they are not considered a firearm on their own.
Uhhhh my friend you can print a 9mm CZ scorpion that shoots as well as the real thing. Same with an MP5. You can find videos of them being tested and shot on the internet. A lot has changed in the past few years with 3D printed guns.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kucefQ6sYbo there are silly videos too
Of course, they are not 100% plastic, but that’s irrelevant. They can be made at home with little effort using a 3D printer and from simple materials anyone can buy at a hardware store, without any registration or serial numbers.
A lot of “real” guns are made from plastic, too, btw
Ngl I was hoping for The Glong lmao, close though!
Only the non critical to function parts can be plastic. IE, the barrel can’t be plastic. And you can use literally anything else other than 3D printed stuff.
So why is 3D printed even an issue. Anything… A CNC, scissors, metal, a grinder, wood, springs, screws…can be made part of or be used to make anything else. Making things is not magic and a 3D printer is not magic either.
The highest pressure rated plastic has a Ts or just maybe 28ksi. But with 15% elongation and a really weak modulus. So you can make toys basically.
only the non critical to function parts can be plastic
This just isn’t reality. For .22lr, nearly 100% of the gun can be plastic, including the barrel. Here are two real examples where the only required metal component is the firing pin:
https://www.cnet.com/news/politics/the-3d-printed-gun-controversy-everything-you-need-to-know/
https://3dprint.com/107062/worlds-1st-3d-printed-revolver/
For more reliable and more powerful guns, some critical components must be metal, of course, like the barrel might at least require a liner, but the majority of the gun and internal mechanism can still be plastic, not only non-functional or cosmetic parts.
And you can use literally anything else other than 3D printed stuff. So why is 3D printed even an issue.
Idk, I didn’t say it is. I’m just informing you that 3D printed guns are real, not a “fallacy”, some function very well and reliably, and can actually be made with almost no or minimal metal parts
But the issue at hand is about regulating 3D printers. So how about HF CNC machines? Or lathe mill combos? What about resin?
What about meat? It has vitamins and proteins to make some people really really strong… Enough to choke people with their bare hands! And they are allowed to freely walk among us and even ride the bus, train our plane! Protein is very dangerous stuff. I hear you can even 3D print it!
I don’t support regulating 3D printers
Unless you keep the gun I guess.
How do you mean? You 3D print something with no serial and it’s untraceable. Even if they find it they can’t definitively say your firearm shot the bullets. Unless of course you’re on video doing it and admit to it.
Unless of course you’re on video doing it and admit to it.
Something tells me not doing that part is going to be harder for a significant portion of today’s population than getting a weapon.
That’s true
You 3D print something with no serial and it’s untraceable.
Except for all the metal parts they used a debit card/paypal to buy.
Those would hard to teace and yu can pay cash. How many stores sell metal pipe withthe same inner diameter as a 45 caliber. It would be lole tracing meth lab by ammonia sales.
Depends. He used a printed glock, not an FGC2.0. The FGC uses parts like you describe but printed glocks just take glock parts.
That said, it’s still fairly trivial to acquire those glock parts anonymously.
The only regulated parts (I know of) are:
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receiver (considered the actual gun, this is the bit they print)
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suppressors (not printable but you can make these homemade, though not as good and definitely not as reliable.)
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autosears (or anything else that makes your gun fully automatic, or even act like it, usually these are super basic and printable)
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big magazines (not federal but a lot of states have laws on em’ Usually states with these laws will allow big ones to be sold with rivets, so they can usually be converted with a drill and new spring. Also they’re just boxes w/ springs so you can print one.)
They’re also starting to Anodize rifling into barrels using cheap 3D printed jigs, so some of the metal parts are now getting homemade too.
autosears
Autosears themselves are not actually regulated. It’s the action of fully automatic fire that is. Which is kind of ridiculous because it’s not terribly uncommon to have a gun do it by accident on worn out parts.
Wild. I suppose, thinking about it, it’s also way quicker to iterate on, test, and improve too.
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Yeah, you can’t easily print an entire gun, but the parts you buy don’t necessarily tie you to the gun.
The components aren’t traceable either. They don’t have serial numbers on them. Typically only the lower receiver does. This is why that’s the part that’s typically 3D-printed.
Which is obviously why you buy them with Monero instead.
In the age of AI deepfakes, I don’t even think that’s conclusive enough.
gotta count how many fingers it took to pull the trigger
Haha it’s better than that now. You have to see them eating.
never forget will smith spaghetti
Haha you’ll know you’re old when people don’t get the reference
that’s one i genuinely wonder about though. it was the embarrassing early years of generative ml. will it care to keep it for us? eww, i just got those terminator chills again
really easy to tell if an image is AI or not still it’s not that good yet
For real
Didn’t Luigi get caught with the weapon in his backpack? The title picture on this article is literally him. If it’s untraceable by printing, it seems you’d want to not have it on you if apprehended.
Common plan for professional hitman is to drop the gun at or near the scene. With a ghost gun what could tgey trace back
Factually, they illegally searched his bag without a warrant at the mcdonald’s, repacked the bag, put the bag in a police vehicle and drove to the police station without bodycam, and then turned bodycam back on to search the bag again and instantly “find” the ghost gun in his bag, which, without a serial number, is conveniently impossible to prove it was not planted.
The motion goes on the state that once that officer’s body cam footage resumes, it shows her immediately re-opening and closing the backpack compartments she already searched and then opening the front compartment of the backpack “as if she was specifically looking for something. Instantly, she ‘found’ a handgun in the front compartment.”
Funny that they never deny the gun was his, just that the search was unconstitutional.
Almost like the lawyer thinks “they didn’t follow procedure” is an easier legal argument than “the police dept is trying to frame my client”.
The gun isn’t the only evidence. All they’re doing is drawing attention to the fact that it was his gun by not denying it was his and trying to get it excluded from evidence. Even if they win this argument and get the gun excluded, they’ve basically confirmed that the gun was his in doing so.
his gun
Is that a fact? Are you sure? Will you recant if it comes out that the police did, in fact, plant it?
Nitpick the lawyer’s phrasing all you like; it won’t actually change any of the facts of the case, whatever they may be. Myself, I’m not going to jump to “why bother having a trial? The police arrested him; he’s clearly guilty as sin” based on a Lemmy comment!
There’s no reason to deny invalid evidence
It does if you want people to believe the gun wasn’t yours. The gun isn’t the only evidence, and not denying it’s yours but trying to get it excluded from evidence confirms that it was yours and you’re trying to hide it. It screams guilty.
Good thing that’s not how evidence or the justice system works 😝
Your username is ironic lol
Yeah but they have video of him too. Idk the case well enough but I assume the gun itself wasn’t enough to prove he did it.
when you fire a gun scratches are left on the bullet that are enough of a unique fingerprint to trace to the gun.
Forensic “science” like bullet marking analysis is actually pseudo-science and is not supported by peer reviewed scientific evidence or study. https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.302.5651.1625
Yeah but is each 9mm unique from the next?
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