Bernie threatens their way of life, which is making money doing nothing of note.
This is such bullshit.
Democrats aren’t fighting Trump.
That’s the joke…
In plenty of countries the Democrats would be considered a right wing party, the US does not have a true left party
I feel like after what happened in Germany recently that doesn’t hold as much water. If the average left wants to defend socialized healthcare and tax the rich, then the Dems are left.
Yeah, years of pandering to fascists by elevating their topics, repeating their lies unchallenged and also blaming everything on “the foreigners” shifts politics to the right and far right. Doesn’t mean that it shifts what is left and what is right.
You can have countries full of fascists. Doesn’t mean the “moderate fascists” now get to define what is “left”.
This “logic” of course is peddled by the US Democrats and amplified by the Oligarchy. Also the US Democrats dont want to tax the rich. Over the past Decades they have shifted the taxes from capital to income. There never was a proper healthcare system in the US and Obama defended not creating a proper one when he had the power because “muuh Jobs”.
I think that left being progressive and right being conservative means that the absolute scale does change based on the current situation.
That is such an American view on politics.
A right wing party doing well in one election, does not shift the entire political spectrum for all the other parties. Specially not when you have a parliment with six or so different parties.
Not all Americans ###. Canada isn’t guilty of indigenous genoci… Argentina isn’t a haven for Naz…. Chile isn’t…. Ok, fine, yes America.
Not this argument again, please…
Je ne peux pas m’en empêcher. Faire chier les cinglés d’extrême droite est addictif.
Non, non, je faisais référence à l’argument Américain = citoyen des États-Unis contre l’ensemble du continent.
It’s a lot more than a right wing party doing well, it’s a right wing party shifting into territories that used to be radical and still winning. Elon Musk was shown on stage for the AfD telling them to stop being ashamed of germany’s past.
Create one, and all it will do is suck away Democratic votes, further emboldening Repblicant fascists.
What if…. (and hear me out) the Democrats were actually left wing?
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It still baffles me that Cory Booker spoke through the night to inspire people…and then voted to confirm Trump appointees anyway. I do not understand what goes through these people’s heads.
Performative Politics.
$$$$$$
You think he was lobbied directly for the confirmation?
Not directly, but the democrats are a right wing bourgeoisie liberal party, so they essentially serve the interests of capital
The interests of capital eventually leads to imperialism and when that starts to crack (<- you’re here), fascism. Unless the actual socialists win.
And you know what? I don’t think socialism had a chance in yankee land. They have spent decades upon decades brainwashing the population in a highly compatible fashion. The highest point of American radical action is just some adventurism terrorist shit that doesn’t do anything. Ask Americans to actually organize and do vanguard action and they’ll screech at you, because the bourgeoisie media and education has made you an slave inside your own brain.
So yeah, democrats or whatever. Why does it matter if fascism comes in 9 years or 4 years, you guys are straight up fucked.
If you live in yankee land, emigrate your ass before you lose your ass
Both things had about the same amount of impact, honestly.
Would you rather watch horrible people enter office without any say in it or would you rather at least get a word in and have them make promises? Even with every dem voting against they can still afford to lose 3 votes, and Mitch “The Reaper” McConnell was the only Republican to vote nay on 3 candidates.
Becau$e
I know what you’re trying to say. But Barney commands in army of five-year-olds. There was a story a few years back about these kids attacking someone dressed in a Barney costume because they did not sound like Barney.
Barney is more frightening than the realistic looking T-Rex
I get what you’re trying to say, but a real Tyrannosaurus rex is far more frightening than that.
Difference is that Barney is walking among us while the Trex only threaten the cleaner by falling over and crushing him
Not really. They’re kinda slow and I’m pretty sure that 6bore bear slug is gonna take care of the overgrown chicken.
Granted… said 6bore would likely take care of the fake one, but I’m not willing to find out. The horde of. Randy lovers, they’re the terrifying ones in this calculation.
And that means big bird is more terrifying than either!
Maybe stating the obvious here: their interests are more aligned with Trump than with Bernie.
We desperately need electoral reform. There’s no issue with moderates existing. The issue is that currently the choice is either moderates or fascists. And the fascists are quite adept at portraying the moderates as authoritarian communists.
Just sadness washes my body these days.
What a profound lack of any knowledge of legislative history.
What a profound lack of class consciousness and knowledge of political repression.
I’m sure you’re much happier ignoring reality.
You’re defending the establishment dems while they collaborate with fascists by standing in the way of anyone who tries to resist. You’re the one ignoring reality, but sure, keep playing dead. That’ll really show 'em.
Got a more specific example to work with? We can just slander each other all day, you’re a buffoon who refuses to believe we had a truly better if not perfect choice and collectively are just a bunch of asshats.
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We’ve been over this before, no point in rehashing it. That you consider Harris to be anything close to a “perfect choice” is enough on its own to tell me you’re not reachable.
I genuinely don’t think so. I just think they’re incompetent when dealing with Trump.
(Edit: meh, I’ve seen what makes you cheer)
They’re not incompetent, they’re complicit. They care more for their career and finances than they do for any cause.
Yeah. Can’t expect a politician to know what it means to vote for or against a law, or candidate. That is just a level of incompetency. Totally isn’t complicity to vote alongside Trump…
Democrats don’t work for us.
I was just telling a friend, both sides want the same thing, money. The difference is, one side is willing to kill for it, and the other side is always willing to look away.
Why did Democrats ban large campaign contributions from 2003 until 2010 when the SCOTUS overturned the law?
Who was president from 2009 to 2017 and could have passed a different law? Who was president from 2021 to 2025?
To overrule the SCOTUS interpretation of the constitution you would need to amend the constitution, required 60 Senators and a house majority. Since 2013 there haven’t even been more dems than repubs before caucus, much less 60.
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Trump is a rival in the same sports league. Bernie sometimes dares to question whether the league should even exist
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Bernie Sanders is not an Anarchist.
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The DNC is a decrepit old manager and Trump is the guy who buys out the enemy team on credit from foreign banks.
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They make more money ‘fighting’ trump.
every time i bring up the DNC railroading Bernie in 2016, i get brigaded by status quo idiots
They did the same in 2020 then did away with all pretenses of input in 2024 and just told us who the candidate was going to be
…controlled oppostion doesn’t sound as dirty, does it…?
Hate to defend them, but that’s not really an accurate portrayal of what happened in 2024.
Biden should have announced he wasn’t running and allowed the primary process to play out. If he hadn’t, then the DNC should have overridden him. It’s unbelievable that they didn’t anticipate or care that Trump would win again.
It was a pretty convenient way for them to hand pick a nominee. Given how the last two played out I don’t think that’s an unfair lens to view the situation through.
I’m sorry that bringing up how absolutely not even close both of those primaries were makes me an idiot.
It’s almost like they were, until the Democrats put their fingers on the scale. Weird how that turned out.
Oh yeah those Democrats, hurting democracy by…
convincing 14 million more people to vote for them…?
When fighting Bernie, Dems are fighting with a base that is already aligned with them - ie one that they do not have a strong fear of alienating with their positions or attacks.
When fighting Trump, Dems usually fight with the idea that there is a significant group of ‘moderates’ which can be swayed in this country, and thus cannot be offended under any circumstances.
The problem is that there are ‘moderates’ in this country that can be swayed, but that the civility politics approach of the Dems does jack shit to lure most of them. They vote on vibes, and Dems try to avoid any vibes at all, to be the most milquetoast, least unacceptable choice possible to present.
They haven’t even considered that maybe 50% of the US population doesn’t vote because they feel like neither party has their interests at heart!
If they swung further left and got an actually progressive candidate who wants to fix the problems in this fucking country, I’m willing to bet everything that they’d win.
Hell, what got Obama in office was precisely the fact that he campaigned on hope and progressive ideals! He didn’t end up sticking to those ideals though, but that’s another story.You’re telling us the stories that the Democrats tell us, but they know and we know that it’s fiction. Democrats, politicians of all kinds, always risk alienating some voters when they make major policy decisions. That’s unavoidable, and to pretend that the only group that matters is the invisible center is obviously fallacious, which we’ve seen time and again. I would say that’s what we learned in 2000, 2004, 2016, and certainly 2024.
I would say we learned it, that we all know it, and that people who pretend otherwise are lying to us.
When fighting Bernie, Dems are fighting with a base that is already aligned with them - ie one that they do not have a strong fear of alienating with their positions or attacks.
They should seriously reevaluate that because they have and they continue to alienate large numbers of people. This is an undeniable fact at this point.
No argument from me on the rest of your comment except for one small thing. The moderate that they’re chasing is a mirage, and doesn’t actually exist in the way that they think it does. These “moderates” don’t actually hold moderate views when questioned about what they believe and what they would support. Progressive economic policy positions are overwhelmingly popular across the board, and many who call themselves moderates tend to have socially conservative or even regressive views.
They should seriously reevaluate that because they have and they continue to alienate large numbers of people. This is an undeniable fact at this point.
Yes, I agree.
No argument from me on the rest of your comment except for one small thing. The moderate that they’re chasing is a mirage, and doesn’t actually exist in the way that they think it does. These “moderates” don’t actually hold moderate views when questioned about what they believe and what they would support. Progressive economic policy positions are overwhelmingly popular across the board, and many who call themselves moderates tend to have socially conservative or even regressive views.
I would caution this with that wording matters very much to these moderates, and the support of ‘feel-good’ progressive policies (like universal healthcare) evaporates once objections are raised in the public sphere (like “Would you support universal healthcare if… the GOP candidate said it was going to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!?” or even realistic issues, like “if taxes went up a small amount”).
I would go so far as to agree that these moderates don’t hold moderate views, in the sense of having a ‘middle ground’ position, but say, in addition, that they have very little real policy positions at all, and that whether they think immigration needs to be loosened or if there’s a crisis on the border depends almost entirely on what side of the metaphorical bed they woke up on a given morning.
They will express opposition to gun control, demand the banning of ‘assault weapons’, and then vote for a pro-‘assault weapon’ ballot initiative, all in the same breath. Civic education in this country is… severely lacking.
democrats need more irish
They didn’t try to put Bernie in jail. Or shoot him.
They didn’t try to put trump in jail or shoot him.
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A prosecutor, a judge and a jury were in charge, and even then, they treated him with unconstitucional special conditions, and he avoided jail.
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A republican tried to shoot him.
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God I wish they’d have actually tried that with Trump.
