• Renohren
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    I always find it amusing that we, in the west, have sent our mining, recycling and manufacturing to China and then clutch our pearls to gasp at how huge China’s CO2 output is.

    The problem isn’t only China, the problem is us all.

    • Kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Not only that, another big hypocritical thing is demanding growing countries that they need to slow down “for the environment”. I mean, ok, global warming is everyone’s problem, but the hypocrisy there is unmeasurable.

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        Not really. Eternal growth is a dumb idea until and unless we can go interplanetary.

        Need to find a stable equilibrium for the long haul.

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          The impossibility of eternal growth doesn’t deny the hypocrisy parent highlights. The CO2 budget we’ve eaten for our development has eaten (and still disproportionately does) the global budget that belongs to all people. We’ve consumed way more of a practically nonrenewable resource than the rest of the world, we continue to disproportionately consume more of it, and then we (some of us) go to the rest of the world and say, sir no sir there’s not enough resource left, you’ll have to do with a lot less, and you’ll have to do it on your own! There’s deep hypocrisy in that, regardless of the state of the resource.

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            I don’t disagree with that.

            My opinion is that the top consumers need to cut down and likely more importantly this insane push for “the economy” to be wasting resources churning away and accomplishing nothing of substance. That’s the part that needs to end.

            Along with the obsession with having more and more and more babies which will grow to consume even more resources.

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          And there is the hypocrisy I was talking about. Go tell that to someone from third world countries and let me know how loud they’ll tell you to fuck off.

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              That’s the inevitable end anyway, since even first world countries aren’t doing much about it, propaganda apart.

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                Go go gadget defeatism.

                We should do nothing because we’re doomed. Better waste everything we can to accelerate it!

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      Or that we keep concentrating only on the total output. China has 4.2 times as many people as the US, yet their total Co2 emissions are only 2.4 times higher.

      It’s like complaining that a family of four is eating too much food from the buffet when you have over half of their total amount on your own plate.

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      Yeah, China, USA, Russia, India, and the EU top countries have made a global problem for all of us.

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      Yup. There’s probably an analysis somewhere about how much of China’s emissions are ours. I bet it’s a large fraction.