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- cross-posted to:
- upliftingnews@lemmy.world
- Finland@europe.pub
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Criminalise the gaza genocide denial, too.
Which Holocaust? All of them, or just the one from 80 years ago?
Probably not all of them. We dont know of every one. Some were prehistory.
I’m not a Finn, but I dont think they were involved in many Holocausts except one?
Will they criminalise denial of the Gaza genocide, you know, the one that is currently underway?
Not yet. The ICJ is still examining the mountain of evidence. It will probably take a few more years.
I dont think we coined the term Holocaust until after the Germans lost the war. I imagine it’ll be the same with Gaza. History needs to happen and be written first.
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Hamas started the war.
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By Hamas’ own count, 40,000 Palestinians died in the first year of the war
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By Hamas’ own count, less than 10,000 Palestinians died in the second year of the war
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Aid has been consistently flowing into Gaza from Egypt AND Israel with a few pauses that were almost immediately lifted every time.
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The leader of Hamas that was killed was once a prisoner in lsrael. He had a life threatening condition that required brain surgery, Israel provided it for free and saved his life.
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Israel has Muslim Arab parliament members, a Muslim Arab supreme court justice, and Muslim Arabs working as professors at its universities.
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Israel has peaceful relations with Jordan and Egypt, Muslim Arab majority nations. It’s actually super easy to get along with Israel, just don’t attack.
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The ‘new’ leader of Hamas may have died yesterday in Gaza. He was operating immediately under a working hospital, one of countless examples of Hamas purposely endangering citizens so that they die for negative online clout.
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After a year into the war, Israel took over a major Hamas base that was right under UNWRA headquarters. Since then, they have been able to keep the civilian population largely out of harm’s way, though imperfectly, which is why the death toll was largely reduced in the second year of fighting.
Taken together, the conclusion is that this is a messy and ugly war. But it is not a genocide.
None of this is accurate even if history started on Oct 7.
You are blatantly lying.
Jewish human rights groups and human rights groups all over the world as well as genocide scholars all over the world are calling what is happening a genocide. I’ll put more weight on their conclusions than someone who has nine bullet points of Zionist hasbara.
I’d say there is overwhelming evidence that this is likely genocide, but we can’t say it is one until the ICJ finishes reviewing the mountain of evidence against Israel
50,000 died of a population of 2 million (many of them militants). 2.5%, while a tragic loss of life, does not compare with the Holocaust where one-third of the Jewish population worldwide, and two-thirds of European Jews, had been wiped out.
If Israel is intent on genocide they aren’t very good at it. They could have wiped out ⅔ of Gazans in the first week after October 7 but chose not to. Meanwhile Hamas and Hezbollah to this day call for ridding the Levant of all Jews but cannot.
Many more lives will be lost by Hamas not surrendering but it is a sacrifice Tankies in the comfort of their Western homes are willing to make.
You need to read the definition of genocide. I highly recommend following that with the south African report to the ICJ
Lemmy is supposed to be our sanctuary from schoolyard level taunts, not our sanctuary from views we don’t like.
Yes I remember in grade school being harassed by being called a liar after saying grass is blue and the sky is green.
I see you are only comfortable in an echo chamber.
Calling out bullshit isn’t being uncomfortable with other viewpoints.
Sorry not everyone has unlimited patience for fascist and/or genocide supporters. But thems the breaks when you hold shitty viewpoints.
I wonder how long you would last in Iran (who funds the terrorism). Am sure the administration would think you have “shitty viewpoints” on everything but Gaza.
You want to be the arbiter of what is bullshit without having to justify yourself. I suppose you would have that in common with the Ayatollah too.
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As a German who lives in Finland: bravissimo!
you’ll have to work on your finnish a bit more
you what?
Laws restricting speech are a disgrace. Unbelievable that they actually seem to be passing it.
The classic “you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater” denier.
Everyone knows you can only yell “fire” in an empty theatre. You generally get trespassed immediately thereafter.
On one hand, this feels very “thoughtcrime”-y. On the other, certain people should probably just not have a platform to spew their nonsense on. I’m curious to see how this plays out.
The only way for tolerance to exist, is to not tolerate intolerance.
The paradox of tolerance disappears if you look at tolerance not as a moral or legal standard, but as a social contract:
If someone does not abide by the terms of the contract, then they are not covered by it.
In other words: the intolerant are not following the rules of the social contract of mutual tolerance.
Since they have broken the terms of the contract, they are no longer covered by the contract, and their intolerance should NOT be tolerated.
That reminds me of the south park episode with Mr Slave
I feel like banning their speech will only make them look like martyrs
I feel like as long as the banned speech is extremely specifically defined, I don’t care if they look like martyrs. “The holocaust never happened” is easily defined as holocaust denial, and it’s easy to enforce.
The problems arrive when a law is passed with an ambiguous, poorly defined meaning like “hate speech”. Hate speech can really mean anything someone else doesn’t like.
