• Bad Jojo@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    4 months ago

    Hey all, I am locking this post. Here is the bottom line. Blahaj is a trans safe instance. Regardless of your personal opinion on whether a term is gender neutral or not, the moment someone tells you that they are not OK with that term, that should be the end of the debate. This is a good rule not only in Blahaj but in real life. Continuing to argue with someone about what they should or should not accept in this matter is harmful.

  • NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I still think guy/dude is gender neutral. Call it the Good Burger principle:

    ā€œI’m a dude, he’s a dude, she’s a dude, we’re all dudes… HEY!ā€

  • Secret Music@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    4 months ago

    I used to use ā€œmanā€ in a gender neutral way a lot. Like ā€œhey manā€ or ā€œwhat’s up manā€. Probably a '90s kid thing. But here’s the thing, it’s not about how I feel about the word. It’s about how the person getting called that word feels about it. So I’ve made a conscious effort to stop using it. It’s really not difficult to not be a selfish asshole.

    These days, the only person I still say ā€œhey manā€ to is my weed guy.

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      4 months ago

      I used to say ā€œdudeā€ and ā€œmanā€ to everyone. It was pretty easy to give up ā€œdudeā€, and I just kinda seamlessly switched ā€œmanā€ to ā€œfam.ā€

    • Hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      4 months ago

      Whenever anyone says ā€œhey manā€ to me I respond with, ā€œno, not anymoreā€ and they tend to get really confused.

    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      I still say ā€œhey manā€ to my weed guy

      That’s like their formal title lol. My last dealer (4 years clean now) was a woman and I always said ā€œhey manā€ to her.

  • Selyle@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    4 months ago

    Soooo much appreciation for this 🩷 I think I’ll forever mentally twitch when people use dude, man, mate, bro, etc. towards me. I totally know it’s done in a gender neutral way, but I still feel a small pang in my heart.

      • SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        4 months ago

        Using a validating, non vaguely-male term is great, though!

        Most of the terms are like: ā€œthese are MALE terms and also girls can be ā€˜one of the bros’ in certain circumstancesā€ā€¦ but that’s just not what transition is about.

        We don’t want to be ā€œjust one of the brosā€; you gotta understand that:

        a) that’s NOT what a lot of us after,

        b) the world doesn’t revolve around men and being men and being masculine (and perpetuating that male chauvinism perspective is shitty),

        and c) it’s okay to call girls, girls, and to be a woman. That isn’t a negative or lesser or othering l thing, despite how much of society raises us to believe.

        I’m also not saying that we don’t want to be included wherever we feel comfortable fitting in, we absolutely do. And I think a lot of allies understand that. But just as many allies understand that trans women feel left out from being included in feminine spaces, as well. And sometimes, while we may fit in better with the bros, way more than the girls, that itself can feel awful and really get the dysphoria going. Sometimes though, some of us realize that the dudes that are bros we realize are hot and dumb and we want to be closer to them for… different reasons.

        Personally, I’m poly and pan and just want everybody to get along and not have weird stereotypically forced gender segregated hobbies, interests, and cliques anymore because that’s weird and uncomfy. I don’t even know what I’m talking about anymore I haven’t eaten today yet. Homie is fine, I guess, but borderline, personally. I don’t know a better replacement.

  • sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works
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    Yeah I’m terrible at this. Almost put man in this sentance twice. I don’t stop myself unless explicitly asked as it would be quite patronizing to treat them like they’re somehow different than all the other women I call man or my guy however but when asked it’s hard to stop. I do my best though

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        Changing behavior, and behavior in language, especially when you have a connection to it from your youth, is really, really hard.

        I’ve been transitioning for over a decade, and I still say dude and man and stuff. Verbally and in text.

        I know better, it’s just so ingrained in my online wannabe 90s/00s attitude/culture from growing up.

        Which is why the outward and vocal resistance to memes trying to change the behaviors and standards is so irritating to me. It isn’t gender neutral, and only exceptions to the rule exist. Maybe if you acquired the terms/phrases in gender neutral contexts is it actually okay, but then THAT conflict of honest perspectives is a different subject, akin to using words like queer, and how they differ between generations.

        Like when I was really young, saying things were gay was just a part of language. Teachers would get mad and tell us not to say it, but like… We didn’t hate gay people, we were just ignorant, and thought it was fun trendy language. And I see a lot of that and stuff like that in a lot of people still today. Did using gay just as a synonym for ā€œbadā€ closet-ify a lot of people? Looking back, ABSOLUTELY, myself included. But I want to believe that most other people ALSO were too ignorant to be knowingly malicious about it and just got caught in a shitty culture, and thankfully that culture has changed today (for most people, I still occasionally run across a dinosaur still calling everything gay and it’s quite a sight to behold, they look straight out of saved by the bell, but 30 years passed and they never stopped smoking).

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    4 months ago

    Honestly in my social circle ā€œDudeā€ has basically become gender neutral.

    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      I’m a school bus driver. Kids call everybody of all genders ā€œdudeā€ and ā€œbroā€. Also the n-word but that’s a different matter.

  • SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    4 months ago

    Is it weird that I’m a Trans girl and I still use dude like so much?

    And yet when other people use it for me, I feel like I have to ask how they meant it šŸ˜