• Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    23 hours ago

    If you want to put a ban on something quit tip toeing and define the weapons you want to ban and their variants using specific language such as semi-automatic rifle, fully-automatic rifle, barrel length, etc

    That’s how you get weird-ass weapons designed specifically to work around the law though. E.g in Russia they regulate harder any weapon that has rifling on more than half of the barrel (otherwise it’s considered a hunting shotgun iirc), so of course there are tons of Russian civilian weapons that are basically military stuff with shitty rifling and locked to semi auto

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      21 hours ago

      It does turn into a game of “one-up” but this is why you get actual weapons experts to advise on the language of the law and not business owners and lawyers who have no idea what a gun is other than it makes them a lot of money or its scary.

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        19 hours ago

        You will get zero people that have real knowledge and understanding of weapon systems advising legislators on ways to ban them.

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          11 hours ago

          Lots of cops and ex-military in favor of gun control. Not all people who know guns love them being easily and widely available.

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            10 hours ago

            Lots of cops and ex-military in favor of gun control.

            Cops and ex-mil are not usually people I’d say know guns. When I say “know guns”, I don’t mean just that they know how to shoot–which most cops and mil people can’t do for shit----I mean know how they work, and why they’re designed the way that they are. I mean, how many cops or military people can tell you exactly what the difference is between, say, a direct impingement and a piston system? Or what the different kind of delayed blowback mechanisms are? Or what the technical differences are between and AR-15 that’s capable of being select fire, and one that isn’t?

            And, even more than that, when you look at history, it’s clear that the second amendment was intended to ensure that the people had access to militarily-suitable arms. We’re right at the point of gov’t tyranny right NOW, and Dems want to disarm people? So, what?, we can have a King Trump I?

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              8 hours ago

              When I say “know guns”, I don’t mean just that they know how to shoot–which most cops and mil people can’t do for shit----I mean know how they work, and why they’re designed the way that they are.

              None of this is rocket science. Your side hobby isn’t a PhD program that no lowly normie could comprehend without years of jerking off to gun specs.

              We’re right at the point of gov’t tyranny right NOW

              And I notice a conspicuous lack of “patriots” reacting at all. We’ve had years excusing dead kids in the name of deterrence against a tyrannical government and now people are getting kidnapped by masked men without identification or documentation and the people getting in the way and showing up at detention centers are unarmed women.

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                Your side hobby isn’t a PhD program

                And yet, none of the people writing laws can understand these things. Nor do cops, most people in the military, or–in all likelihood–you. But by golly, they’re going to write laws about them, even if they have no idea what the laws they’re writing will actually do!

                And I notice a conspicuous lack of “patriots” reacting at all.

                Yeah, it’s almost like what passes for a “political left” in the USA is a completely watered down, neutered version of the left, and is more interested in circular firing squads than actually doing something, huh?

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          18 hours ago

          Well I guess we’ll just keep running in circles about this issue then won’t we.