cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29037456
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So they’re saying they want us to die on the job. That might be okay for some but I still want to at least pretend to retire before I croak
Otto von Bismarck moment.
(Context: dude instated pretty much the first pensions system in the world to try and stop the Marxists gaining influence, and allegedly asked the guy in charge of making the program to set the retirement age at a value where most of the population would die before reaching it. Iirc they settled on 70 years old, which is definitely too old for the average 19th century factory peon)
Hey, knowing the means of production in and out will be pretty valuable once the working class also own it.
The reason Trumps idea appeals to people for those unaware is that free trade destroyed a lot of union jobs, which were outsourced to emerging markets. After the industrial revolution unions fought for worker rights and salaries, and they were then shipped away to places that didnt have those rights, and they want to see a reversal of this.
Not sure if its right or wrong, but you cant fault them for holding out hope, its actually a left wing ideal I would say, large government protectionism interfering in the free market. Saying that all factory jobs are bad is a silly retort, there are many factory jobs in the US already that people are happy to have; even ASML making advanced semiconductor fabs is a “factory job”.
Saying that all factory jobs are bad is a silly retort,
Who’s saying that?
The worst job I ever had had was right after I got out of the military and went home. I needed a job and a buddy of mine worked in a place that made custom logo hats and jackets for various businesses. His job was to ship the finished products out. The job I got was on the floor sewing the little cardboard backing that the hat bill is sewn onto. I did this for a summer in an unair-conditioned room full of mostly older Asian women that were quite demanding about quality control. The repetitiveness of it was truly maddening.
I have a better idea. I call it guillotine justice. Everyone finds the wealthiest 100 people in their county and introduces them to the guillotine of justice. The homes, land and wealth of the recently deceased wealthy bastards become communal property. Many of the rich bastards own hundreds of houses and thousands of acres of land. We don’t need to worry about grocery bills if we have community farms. The rent would go down dramatically with all the free houses available and rich people will be selling or giving away their excess wealth to keep from being picked in the next round of guillotine justice.
We don’t need to worry about grocery bills if we have community farms
We have to worry about farming though.
The prices of agriculture commodities are so low that things will be more expensive after a revolution. Think illigal immigrants picking fruits, they will receive fair wages, won’t they?
Yes, they will. You know what else will happen with community farms?
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You don’t need to long-haul your produce thousands of miles.
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You reduce fossil fuel usage associated with transportation and refrigeration.
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You significantly cut packaging waste (plastic wraps, cartons, trays).
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You eliminate or drastically reduce food spoilage during transit.
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You lower dependency on chemical preservatives needed for extended shelf life.
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You avoid industrial-scale pesticide and herbicide use that damages ecosystems.
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You decrease water waste from large-scale irrigation systems.
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You eliminate excessive food processing required for preservation and transport.
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You prevent large-scale soil degradation and erosion due to monoculture practices.
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You reduce greenhouse gas emissions from heavy machinery and vehicles.
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You minimize biodiversity loss caused by vast monocrop fields.
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You eliminate food waste from standardized aesthetic requirements (rejecting imperfect produce).
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You avoid the environmental harm and fossil fuel use from massive refrigerated storage facilities.
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You reduce deforestation and habitat destruction associated with industrial farming expansion.
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You significantly lower the risks of large-scale disease outbreaks and contamination.
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You reduce reliance on genetically modified crops engineered solely for transport durability.
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You prevent nutrient loss in produce caused by prolonged storage and transport times.
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You reduce economic vulnerabilities associated with centralization and supply-chain disruptions.
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You mitigate community health risks by providing fresher, nutrient-rich produce.
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You reduce noise, air, and water pollution associated with industrial farming machinery and processes.
children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange.And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot
Community farms are precisely about correcting this injustice. There’s so much watse in “profit”, and profit keeps growing.
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Why is your default mode of thinking of these farms that they should operate under capitalism and exploitation? Why guillotine the capitalists and take their golf courses and estates to make community farms if we’re just going to continue capitalism?
The opposite. I assume that the mode of operation will change and thus things will become much more expensive.
These people live in the delusion of the 1950’s being a Golden Utopia of America. Minorities knew their place, gays stayed in Narnia, women kept their mouths shut and stayed in the kitchen, kids were mindless obedient extensions of their fathers, and everything was just… Perfect.
Except for the high income taxes. Fuck that.
You’re right about them wanting to go back to the 50s, but I’m not sure it isn’t the 1850s or even the 1750s…
“It’s the 50’s somewhere! Gimme a cold beer, bro!”
It’s been clear from the start that they only want to make things ‘great’ for greedy cunts.
Yep.
And you, your kids and your grandkids will all work in the factory for minimum wage at the same time! A real family affair, whether you’re an 80 year old or a 12 year old, there’s factory work there for you!
I guess, since they’re
careersjobs for life, they’re also saying that recessions like the one they’re triggering right now will never happen again, because layoffs aren’t going to be a thing. So that’s… um… an interesting empty promise, anyways.Wow the AI meme from earlier this week, with the humans inside and the robots painting and doing creative work, it became too real
Lol the factories have been neglected for so long they aren’t gonna be there.
I see these MAGA morons getting excited about the return of high-paying manufacturing jobs, because they have absolutely no Critical Thinking Skills, and they haven’t asked themselves the most basic question - if corporations have the opportunity to rebuild the manufacturing base in America, why would they recreate the model that sent manufacturing overseas in the first place? Wouldn’t they use this unique opportunity to create an entirely new model? And would that model benefit the workers, or the corporation?
The simple facts are, there will be two models in the new American manufacturing environment. The first will be factories that will rely heavily on automation/ robotics, and need very few humans. The second will be modeled after Asian sweatshops, with low pay, no benefits, forced overtime with no OT pay, child/teen labor, no health/safety/environmental regulations, etc.
The MAGA Nazis know this, but they are still selling the fantasy of high-paying factory jobs that even a stupid MAGA can do. I get that, they are disengenuous to the core, but why aren’t Dems or the media screaming about this, and asking MAGA Nazis in every interview?
but why aren’t Dems or the media screaming about this
Because the Dems and media are MAGA too. There is no left.
I see these MAGA morons getting excited about the return of high-paying manufacturing jobs, because they have absolutely no Critical Thinking Skills
No, most have never worked an actual manufacturing, or trade job in their lives, and the ones who have want to distance themselves from that embarrassing “Peasant Work” episode at all costs.
Nothing you tell a MAGA, that doesn’t sound like you worship their dear leader, will sink into their thick skulls.
They could literally be chained to a sewing machine working the 95th hour that week, paid $1 per hour and they would still claim they were winning (or at least owning the libs).
You keep hearing some members of this administration talk about automation and robots for factory jobs, and also AI for office jobs. If the press were at all smart they would continually ask these morons to keep explaining this contradiction. But I would love hear what they think will happen if everyone in the country loses their job. It’s not going to be good for the %.01 either.
Oh yeah, only right wing brown-nosers have White House press credentials anymore.
That would require the media to not be owned by the same kind of people that own the factories.
Or afraid of losing access. They keep throwing soft balls because they’re worried about being banned from press conferences and interviews.
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Access journalism is one of the many things destroying the faith people have in media
Children make good factory slaves. Now I understand why they got rid of the department of education.
Brainwash them from childhood that it’s “Normal,” and most will never think it’s not.
The traditional education system was actually designed specifically to prepare children for factory work. Enforce strict schedules, you arrive when we tell you, you eat when we tell you, you pee when we tell you, you leave when we tell you. The bell is king, and determines your whole day. Deviation from the bell’s schedule is to be punished and ridiculed.
It sounds like hyperbole, but modern education is literally based on the schools that factory owners set up for their workers’ kids, to groom the kids to work in the factory when they were old enough.
The factory owners just copied that from the Prussian model that was meant to train children to be good soldiers. Not that that was any better…
They’re still so certain we’re having grandkids… Who’s gonna tell them?
It might not be you, but it will be children having children with abortion bans and lack of sex education.
And “rest of your life” means you dying from work related health issues at fifty, of course.
If you make it there; you won’t have a union and labor protections will be struck down in kangaroo courts, OSHA safety requirements being insufficient or insufficiently enforced were already a main driver of people not wanting to work these kobs–and that was before the current and future dismantling of OSHA related rules.
Also, how are you going to get 90k when federal minimum wage is what is was in 2009? Many of the southern states have even passed “counter-wage” laws forbidding the state from passing it’s own improved min wage law–truly hateful of the average person.
Is OSHA really enforced? My only dealing with them was 20-years ago somewhere in Chicagoland. We were new there and I went to the office to ask what job safety requirements looked like for us cable guys. They stared at me like I was an alien. (And BTW, encounters like that are why conservatives are all, “hell yeah! slash them jobs! fuck the gubermint!” The older you get, the most BS stories ya got. I have some positive ones from my local redneck city!)
The main safety driver, from my experience and current POV, is worker’s comp insurance. Employers do not fuck around with rising insurance rates, or getting sued. A worker’s comp investigation can be expensive, then come the higher rates. Employers want to show every way they’ve trained you, given you safety gear and trained you some more.
If you blatantly ignore the training and procedures, and get hurt, no comp for you. Perfect example is Lowe’s “safety knife”. Nope, can’t possibly hurt yourself with it, but you can barely do your job. They turn a blind eye to those of use who bring our own box cutters, but insurance ain’t paying if I split my finger open. (Well, they might, but if it came to litigation, they wouldn’t have to. And shouldn’t have to.)
tl:dr; Worked in the payroll industry. Worker’s comp insurance is a way bigger deal than most know.
Just like the IRS, these are strategically deranged/under-funded and understaffed by conservatives and their oligarchy backers. 99% of trump voters if you asked them if they want to be physically protected in their workplace would say they want their company regulated by an enforcement body, but if you ask them if they like big government, their brainwashing will say no.
Democrats are deliberately bad at branding because they’re beholden to oligarchs as well. Progressives, who badly want to fight for these common sense things have been squeezed out due to concentration of election power, e.g. communication, into a money war and oligarchs choose winners .
My hometown is famous for stonework. Gravestones, mausoleums, etc. Slabs of granite weighing tons are moved around on cranes, over the heads of workers, suspended by thick nylon straps that fray over time. Straps that are not replaced until they are much too close to snapping.
Whenever someone would get inevitably injured, or killed, the town “Powers That Be” industry agency would scramble to inform the owners of businesses to prepare of OSHA’s arrival. And most times, OSHA wouldn’t show up at all, due to “under staffing.”
I worked in this industry briefly in my mid 20’s. I saw live wires in puddles of water, no hard hats, no steel toed boots, or respirators to avoid silicosis. My high school girlfriend’s father died from being crushed by a stack of slabs tipping over, and crushing him, from the waist down. No one knows how long it took for him to die, they found him a few hours after he didn’t come home.
10 years after I left that nightmare, I saw a guy I worked with then missing a hand. It had to have been crushed between 2 slabs.
these idiots have been so spoonfed that they’ve mentally swapped factory jobs and union jobs, and think it’s the factory bringing good conditions and satisfying work
Precisely.
