Trump warned he will impose additional tariffs on the European Union and Canada if they band together to “do economic harm” against the United States.

Get @#$%ed, Trump. Good read. Short but detailed about how partnered we are already and what our next priorities should be

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    let me give you a counter argument as a german citizen:

    The EU is still a union of a multitude of countries, all pretty different in their approach on geopolitics, economy and security. But we are a union that has brought peace for the longest time Europe ever had uninterupted. We aren’t totally homogenous when it comes to values, but we align each other pretty well. Hungary, Slovakia, at times Poland (although since 2020 their rhetoric has been largely overlooked) are doing their best blocking progress, but they aren’t really in a position to do so for much longer. Among european unionists and federalists there has also been talk about a multi-level EU model, where you don’t have to 100% commit to EU regulations and laws, and still enjoy the benefit of the european singlemarket, possibly Schengen-Access, or at least visa free.

    So, never say never ;)

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      as others in this same thread have said.

      Canada even in its crisis mode facing the prospect of a hostile America, with its whole Canada First, Elbows up rhetoric, is still -extremely- “americanized”. Our ideas of Liberalism and Conservatism are very right wing compared to Europe, much like how the US republicans and democrats are both right wing compared to say, a German or French parliament.

      it would take a very long time and a lot of pain and suffering in Canada to move away from the status quo. The NDP are the closest thing to a left wing party in this country and politically, they’re on track to be absolutely eviscerated and effectively dismantled as a party in our election.

      I “grew up” with people online since I was a teenager, I’ve visited Europe, I had close friends fromthe UK, Germany Poland and France, I’ve had relationships with people from Ukraine and a Portuguese born UK, I understand the European values and customs… the thing is, people like me are a minority even in Canada. Canadians have grown accustomed to a hybrid system thats kind of like Europe and Kind of like America, and they dont want to fully switch to one team or the other.

      The problem is, that hybrid system is no longer tenable. and people are going to kick and scream for as long as possible before they realize they have to draw a line in the sand and choose a side.

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        Our ideas of Liberalism and Conservatism are very right wing compared to Europe

        Sounds like you don’t follow contemporary EU politics too closely, even if you’ve spent time there in the past.

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          The last time I set foot in Europe was in 2010, so it might as well have been a lifetime ago. the world as a whole of 2010 is completely alien compared to 2025

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            The far right is a major power bloc over there now, and centrist parties have become openly anti-immigrant and nativist in response. Canada’s way ahead of Europe on tolerance at this point. Even in 2010 Merkel, for example, was plenty fiscally conservative, while Trudeau was elected later and expanded our own spending. There’s other nations that are more interventionist, but Canada wouldn’t be unusual. The far right is also anti-climate action, so we wouldn’t be worst in class on that, although probably below average.

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              European Far Right Politics are actively being influenced by Russian disinformation and cyber operations, “Human wave attacks” of Migrants being sent through Belarus on behalf of Russia and the puppet state’s governments. and a mountain of homegrown and american shit online.

              It might be Tim Pool, Elon Musk, or Jordan Peterson speaking it, but the hand controlling the Sockpuppet is usually smelling of vodka and caviar.

              edit, I went off on a tangent here, so semi off topic from hereon out.

              *The far right has resorted to sarcastically responding “RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA!” anytime foreign involvement in their shit is brought up, because its a nervous defensive tic, people are either knowing, or in denial, that an overwhelming amount of public discourse and disputes in the west can be directley traced back to the Kremlin, who essentially consider themselves to be at war with the west. and this is how they fight their war, because conventionally, The Ukrainians already showed us the Russians cant fight for shit in a shooting war… *

              Everyone laughed in 2022 and was like “holy shit, the russians dont know how to fight”… and then a depressing terrifying reality set in, “Holy shit… the russians dont know how to fight… so if they ever do, they’ll get fucking flattened, freak out, and resort to nukes…”

              It started in 2014 and people seem to have forgotten what the term Hybrid Warfare means. because it never stopped even if Real full scale mechanized warfare started in 2022