“If your mother doesn’t teach you manners, the world will.” My friend from Kenya told me it’s an old proverb where he’s from.
If my kid did that, I’d let you splash them again.
Seriously my first thought if I saw this all occurring and my kid came complaining to me about it is I’d just say “well this is how the cat feels”
Truly cannot conceive of any other appropriate response. My kid’s an asshole sometimes, better he get gentle lessons now.
I’ll take things that never happened for 200$
I like to imagine she had the basin of water handy in that moment.
Dollars two hundred.
Yes, no 10 year-old ever threw water at a cat.
My neighbors daughter had one of those water guns. I told her if she shoots at me, I’ll get the hose and retaliate. She grinned, shot at me, and ran away laughing.
I talked to her dad, he nodded, and when she came back for more mischief, she got wet.
If my neighbor did ANYTHING to my pets, they’d be lucky to only get sprayed with water.
I could take shit from people to some extent but if it is my pets, I am putting a smile on that face
Yeah but with a ten year old, talk to their parents first. You want to drench a child without their consent? Okay but they had better be in an environment that can explain to them that this is a tit for tat type thing. A ten year old doesn’t understand a lot of things and it’s not up to the child to perform what we expect them to. Do they need to be corrected, yes. Does doing it so callously benefit anyone? Only a bully. There’s a huge difference between constructive discipline and just straight up punishment. It takes an adult to know the difference.
At age ten I was coding in Assembly on my C64 and build radio controlled model airplanes without assistance from an adult… so I guess in this case the ten year old should have a pretty clear understanding of his action and the consequences. And to be honest: What did happen? He got wet. Booo-hoo what a tragedy! Would he have gotten a good spanking (would perhaps have happened when I was this age in the 80s), then perhaps I could slightly understand the outrage from his dad.
talk to their parents first
This is key. It’s one thing to stop a child from harassing your pet. If you “teach them a lesson” after the fact without the parents’ permission, there are now two wrongs that need to be dealt with.
Ten-year-olds understand quite a lot of things. They don’t always think before they act, but they would absolutely understand this object lesson.
It’s water. It’s not harmful. Getting splashed with water is most ten-year-olds’ idea of a good time in most scenarios.
Is this the most constructive way to go about teaching a kid how to behave properly? No.
Is this going to scar the average kid for life? Also no.
Good job making assumptions for your own argument.
You can tell the people in here thinking it’s ok to retaliate like that are people that live alone with cats or in their parents basement with cats. I have cats and children. Y’all this isn’t the way to go about this.
It’s water, get over yourself
pours a basin of water over you
At 10 they should know better. Now, I don’t know the dynamic of this “neighborship”, and pettiness is not the way to go about anything. At the same time though, it’s only water.
If it was funny to do it to the Cat… It was hilarious doing it to the kid.
Can confirm.
I have a robot that clears snow on my driveway (it’s a diy build,). One winter, we were having problems with a couple teenage boys chucking snowballs at cars.
Their dads conspired to teach them a lesson.
They recruited me and S5-SY (the robot, pronounced “Sassy”,).
So they played some mind games to get the kids to think it was their idea to record themselves-live- chucking snowballs at the “defenseless” robot.
In the video, the robot turned to face them, drove itself into the snow bank and turned on its sweeper to give them the worst white wash of their lives.
I’m sorry, you can’t just say “I built a robot that clears snow”, like it’s no big deal! Do you have more details? Also, please link the video of it blizzarding the teens!
I don’t have the video (and wouldn’t link other people’s kids anyhow.), sorry.
In any case, I’d drop a how-to, except that it’s actually rather kludgey. just getting a driveway dialed in took about two weeks. (movement is largely dead reckoning in similar manner to using an FDM printer in relative mode.)
her working-side is a snow sweeper brush- you can buy replacement brushes online and not the whole snow sweeper, for the record. the big drum-shaped brushes. she uses a hub-mounted motor to drive that and her two driving wheels. a couple car batteries and and her control box provide counterbalance and mass (for traction,) while her 3rd wheel is a caster wheel.
she uses an inductive charger in a cradle, with everything basically sealed in a water proof enclosure/chasis that was 3d printed.
there’s a base station that’s mounted high up under the garage’s eaves that has a camera deciding when it’s time to go out. (she struggles with heavy, wet, snow, but this gets compensated for by going out more often when it’s warmer. the base station also provides localization and object avoidance.
building was simple enough. I’ve a giant home-build 3d printer, PETG works, Polycarb is better if you can afford it. For sealing the enclosures, I made my own silicone rubber gaskets using silicone caulk and aquarium tubing (force the caulk into the tubing using the caulking gun. if you want it hollow, use an air compressor blower nozzle to blow out the tubing after it’s full, if you want it solid, don’t, but after it’s cured in the tubing, use the blower nozzle to get it out, either way.)
the other thing to consider is the sweeper arm. It can just be set rigidly for simplicity (and that’s a 100% valid and probably smart choice to make…) or if you add the ability to extend on both sides, you can give the brush a cant so it pushes the snow to one side or the other… reducing how many trails you leave.
Some flashy lights are important (and raised up so people can see them in cars!)
Oh. also. she hums like R2D2 when she’s working.
Is the lesson “why throw snowballs at cars when you could be having a snowball fight with a robot instead?”
actually, I’m pretty sure the lesson they learned was they got more of the attention they wanted when they were funny rather than jerks.
Their friends thought the were in on it and were laughing. not sure how they passed that off, since their faces were 1 part confusion 1 part shock and 2 parts “fuck that’s cold”
As a parent, if my kid did that, I’d likely side with the neighbour. I would put it (very loosely) in the category of “natural consequence” punishments.
It fits the crime, it discourages the crime, it forces empathy with the cat, and it does no real harm.
I think it depends a bit on where the cat is. If my cat is in somebody’s yard and the owner does not like it, it’s perfectly fine to spray my cat with water. In fact I do the same to my neighbours cat to prevent cat fights. If my cat is on neutral territory, I would be more pissed.
Agreed, there are 1001 context points that could change things around, one way, or the other.
This is my favorite answer. I’d argue that he got less than the natural consequences of his actions. In nature, when one assaults another, even with something as harmless as water, it’s usually reasonable to interpret it as a threat, the response to which is usually violence. That kid is lucky he didn’t get a face full of claws. I’ve gotten a lot worse from gently touching cats that, as it turned out, didn’t want to be touched. Boundaries are important.
Natural consequences doesn’t mean “law of the jungle” here. It just means linking cause and effect in a proportionate manner.
I tend to use a lot of “natural consequence parenting”. Basically, the response should flow from the cause. If you throw water over your friend, you can’t then complain if they throw water over you. You learn that, while it’s fun when expected, it can be deeply unpleasant when unexpected.
It’s a lot more effective than random generic punishments. The trick is shielding them from excessive results, while allowing proportional ones to play out. E.g. swinging on a chair will get a warning, but often not stopped. When they fall, there’s an “I told you so” before/with the cuddle. If there is a risk of a more serious injury however, e.g. the corner of a table where their head may hit, then I step in and stop things.
I don’t have kids but this is pretty much how my dad raised me. It made me really respect when he gave me a hard no for something, it meant “no really the risk majorly outweighs the reward” and even if I didn’t understand it at the time I trusted it. I got a lot of I told you so after varying seriousness of injuries lol. Eventually I learned that the soft warning meant I was going to have a lot of fun but I needed to be ready for if it went sideways. Now I’ve got a pretty healthy sense of my own limits and when to start gauging risk/reward
That’s basically the goal I’m aiming for. It’s also worth remembering to always give an (age appropriate) explanation with the “no”. If you’re using a hard no, then there is something they don’t yet understand. Explaining it lets them integrate that knowledge into their future risk management.
The only downside is their confidence is high enough to terrify me! The job of containing and shaping that confidence, without damaging it gives me plenty of grey hairs.
It’s not really about the proportion. The rest you have right. Things (good or bad) may happen as a result of your behavior (good or bad). Those things are natural consequences. We talk about it a lot in the context of punishing behavior, but natural consequences can also reinforce behavior. Of course, if we design those consequences, they’re no longer natural.
As a native social media pedant, I’d just like to take a moment to split hairs and point out that’s the literal definition of that phrase.
With all that said, I’m glad you’ve taken that approach. They’re very lucky to have you. I wish I could’ve had more adults like that in my life as a child. Here’s to you and your contribution to supporting the next generation. May they pass on those values, too.
That’s why I clarified. There’s 2 ways to read the phrase, one a lot harsher than the other.
It seems to be working well. It also results in me being surprised a lot of the time. I’m ready to deal with a scuffed knee, or a bruised ego. Instead they either get back up and try again, or just pull it off. At that point I need to mentally correct for their new capabilities.
The key thing is, I’m not looking after a small pet, I’m training a future adult. They need to both instinctively understand how the world works, while packing as much awesomeness and magic into the formative years as possible. Letting them learn and practice is a big part of that.
I like that approach. But when the parent only has their kid’s half of the story, it’s understandable why they would be pissed. I think most of us would be. Why did they do that to my kid? I’d want answers amd I wouldn’t be happy about it.
I suspect most kids who would throw water at a cat like that would not be very good liars about it. Also, adults tend not to dump water on kids for no reason. I would definitely take the time to pick apart what happened, before going full papa bear mode.
I might be pissed, but my instinct would be to find out who I should be pissed at first, before going on the war path.
I agree with you personal. I meant more that people are irrational and if dad comes out back and the kid is soaked and crying, the kids most likely going to say idk she did this to me for no reason
Many people are not like that.
Unfortunately so. I know I’m slightly weirdly wired.
My head hurts from reading that. Comma and periods, people. Comma and periods.
This is what big comma and periods want you to believe. Don’t be a fool!
too many commas and periods to provide a believable refuttal
Too few periods indicate a pregnancy.
Ur mom is pregagagant.
Does she have starch masks?
No butt her babby got pregant.
Damn, I wish. I wanna form a family so bad
I was gifted Robert Merle’s The Day of the Dolphin once. They told me it was a great book. I’m still sure it is, but I couldn’t get past the 2nd page. The lack of punctuation made it awfully cumbersome to read.
…,clea.rly ,.com.,.,mas .,….a n .,.d ,p,e,r,i,o,d,s……,.,.,areimportant
Puntuation is such a waste of space and ink.
haha cool original Hawaiian news paper was like this post missionary and pre overthrow
please dont say we need to use correct grammer its unnecessary periods or commas in all of history have never really added anything to a sentence or body of text writing is about the soul not trying to control peoples formatting formatting its self is often overrated and not at all necessary inorder to discern what the meaning is of the writers passage
Let’s eat, Grandpa.
Let’s eat Grandpa.
Commas save lives, friend.
Let’s eat out, grandma.
I think there are a few people who haven’t spotted that this is sarcasm. At least, I think it’s sarcasm.
That’s the disturbing part, people are so dumb that it’s often impossible to know if it’s sarcasm or stupidity. We’ve gotten to a point where it’s often “this is too dumb/weird/illogical to be sarcasm”.
it may be a fact of matter of opinion of weather or not a thing statment or writing is sarcasm actually matters beyond subjectively evaluation by the person who is interacted with the intended message philosophers amongus often state that the true meaning of communication is blurry to the point that an objective meaning is unrealizable and that the true nature of the message is as it appears to the bee holder
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This comment just hurts.
What were you saying about “periods or commas in all of history”?
Or something about “the soul not trying to control people”?
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Oh I got the joke. I was just responding in kind
We need to use correct grammar.
Boooo
Well executed
holy shit this flew right over peoples heads
Like, I agree with the tit for tat. But don’t let your cat outside.
Who tf gets a pet cat and doesn’t let it outside? If you don’t have space for a cat don’t get one.
cats destroy native wildlife… at least in australia, it’s a huge problem
https://invasives.org.au/our-work/feral-animals/cats-in-australia/
(whilst this article references feral cats, there’s obviously minimal difference between feral cats and roaming house cats as far as wildlife destruction goes)
Who tf gets a pet cat and doesn’t let it outside?
People that love their cats and don’t want them to die young. Outdoor cats live an average of 2-5 years, indoor-only cats live an average of 10-15 years. By allowing cats outside, they’re exposed to pathogens, parasites, and dangers that they wouldn’t otherwise experience. In my area, there are coyotes, bobcats, rattlesnakes, hawks, and owls, all of which will quite happily make a meal of a cat. There are also cars; they don’t tend to be able to stop on a dime.
Worldwide domestic cats kill billions of songbirds annually. Many songbirds are insectivores that prey on mosquitoes and flys helping to keep their numbers in check.
The current problem of insectivores is a massive massive lack of insects, not cats.
Habitat loss, bioaccumulation of Neonicotinoids and predation by invasive species (domestic cats included) are top three issues for declining numbers of songbirds in the US.
Edit: added region
Even the studies most friendly to your position put the conglomerate that cats are counted it in 4th place - e.g.:
- Habitat Loss & Degradation (40-50%)
- Climate Change (20-30%)
- Pesticides & Chemical Pollution (10-15%)
- Predation by Domestic & Invasive Species (5-10%)
- Collisions (5-10%)
- Disease & Parasites (1-5%)
- Illegal Hunting & Trapping (1-3%)
- Light Pollution (<1-2%)
Let’s be very generous and concede cats could contribute 5% (sorry magpies, crows, etc pp. - you contribte almost nothing)
I don’t argue this point because I am way to fond of cats. I don’t even agree with the above scale - at least when it comes to (formerly) common birds such as house sparrow (Passer domesticus) and common blackbird (Turdus merula). Their main problems are Usutu virus and loss of insect biomass.
I am shit-scared about the loss of insect biomass. I am old and observant enough to have recognized the Windshield phenomenon by myself. I concur with the Danish study hinting at a 80% decrease from 1997 until 2017 (I actually think it is higher now). I live in major city with nice parks - the decrease is observable here too.
If the food supply of songbirds has declined by at least 80% that is your biggest problem right there - and it does not only affect songbirds and not only insectivores.
Over-emphasizing cats in this situation is a smoke screen/ red herring akin to BP pushing the carbon footprint of the common man.
Major environmental effects of climate change be it sea level rise, ocean acidification, drought, intensifying storms and temperature rise are all changes to abiotic conditions. Changing abiotic conditions leads to changes in biotic conditions. A habitat is defined by the combination of biotic and abiotic conditions. Therefore climate change should be included in habitat loss.
Sounds like a perfect environment to not own a cat. Don’t get get a cat if you live in an area that can’t accommodate them - they aren’t a universal pet despite the fact people treat them like they are.
Don’t get get a cat if you live in an area that can’t accommodate them
What is an area that can accommodate pet cats lol
Under that criteria, there are a grand total of zero areas that can accommodate them. Same goes for dogs.
But that’s a stupid criteria, because cats are tamed, and thrive indoors.
Hope that helps.
People with coyotes for neighbours.
I’m not gonna shame people for outdoor cats… but you’re being a little obtuse here.
usdefaultism
huh? I’m not from the us?
Letting it roam freely risks it getting hurt and without you being there to help it. It’s not very responsible.
It’s also how house cats have been living for about 10000 years.
And they’ve been dying in some horrific ways during that time. Now there’s also a lot of extra, human caused dangers. A responsible pet owner wouldn’t subject their pet to such dangers.
Please elaborate your claims about past and present dangers for pets, I’m curious about specifics.
Also how are you mitigating the risk of “such dangers” for pets and children?
Well you might have heard of cars, highways and other such human created things that haven’t existed during all that time.
Here’s one study where they examined the welfare concerns over unrestricted/unsupervised outdoor access (and other concerns). https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7070728/#sec5-animals-10-00258
Also how are you mitigating the risk of “such dangers” for pets and children?
I wouldn’t allow a cat or a small child to roam around unrestricted. It just seems due to the inherent threats pretty irresponsible.
“Next time it won’t be water”.
Bullets?
A bucket of bullets does not sound that threatening. A bucket of battery acid, tepid water, or mud, a bit more. Although I would not recommend escalating stuff in general, people fucking around pets needs that sometimes.
Let’s start with feces, John Wayne.
We’ve a lot of cats coming through the garden. I wouldn’t mind if not for my dog, who does and goes insane when she spots a cat. So I’ve been thinking about getting a super soaker to chase them away. I think that’s pretty harmless, and perhaps they learn to skip our garden after a while… What do you lot think?
As a cat owner I approve using a a super soaker. I use a mini-soaker on my own cats in rare cases (being bengals they love water but despise being sprayed) - they probably catch on quickly and should bolt when they see you reaching for it soon.
That being said throwing a whole cup at a cat or making it soaking wet is not ok.
Thanks 🙂 I don’t intend to use one of those canon sized ones, I was thinking a mini like you said. Just a little squirt should do the trick 😇
I think they taunt you by shitting in your flowerbeds while you’re not looking.
I know they do!
I know that’s how I taunt my neighbours.
Why not simply work on training your dog to be less reactive?
Working on that. Still would prefer cats to skip my garden though!
Hahah simply. I’ve only trained a handful of dogs, so professional dog trainers sound off here but there are dogs that are more or less untrainable. Sure difficult dogs can learn a few manors or tricks, but either because an abundance or lack of intelligence they’re not going to ever be a show dog. Depending on the dog maybe the best they get is just not as reactive instead.
Naw, that’s a good boi — I don’t want the neighbors’ cats on my property.
Get a cat from your local shelter. Take them to the shelter to get spayed or neutered and adopted.
I don’t think kidnapping someone’s cat is going to solve anything
If they’re collared or chipped they can be returned to their irresponsible owners, and if the owner is so irresponsible they their unfixed uncollared cat is roaming freely then good riddance.
Well I’m pretty sure I responded to a comment about catching cats going through your garden. I’m talking about normal cats, not strays. Most people fix them or at least that’s what it seems like.
ESH. Kid shouldn’t have done it, but also the lady shouldn’t let the cat outside
I just assumed she might be British due to spelling/tone. Cats have been around here for about 1,600 years and it’s considered fairly normal to let them out.
I don’t get why Americans hate animals. You do realise earth isn’t owned by humans?
I love my animals enough that I would rather they live a long and healthy life. My cats are indoors only for that same reason.
Any extra “enjoyment” in their life from being outside is dwarfed by the diseases, parasites, and very likely possibility they die in a terrible way. (Hit by a car, tortured/poisoned/shot by some evil human, torn up by predators like dogs/wolves/coyotes).
Mate, cats are not a native species. They hunt for sport and wind up absolutely destroying the local ecosystem. Outdoor cats should be killed onsight like literally any other invasive species.
“These are non-native predators that, even using conservative estimates, kill 1.3–4 billion birds and 6.3–22.3 billion mammals each year in the U.S. alone (Loss et al. 2013, Nature Communications)”
I personally care more about my local ecosystem than some cat that someone is too lazy to play with and keep entertained.
While I agree with your main point (which to me sounds like “don’t let your cats outside as they’re an invasive species and will do serious damage to the local ecosystem”), suggesting to kill them on sight is a bit harsh and won’t make you many allies.
We have much more humane options to capture, return, and if needed rehouse cats. Remember that these objectively invasive animals are also people’s companions, and that some folks simply don’t know better than the old belief that “cats should roam”.
If my cat escapes one day and you shoot it, we have problems :)
Other than that bit of insanity, I think I fully agree with you.
That the risk you take with an outdoor cat. It’s not even like water is harmful to it.
I used to have an outdoor cat and if that happened I would have shrugged it off and expected him not to go there again.
That’s the risk you take with an outdoor brat. It’s not even like water is harmful to it.
I used to have an outdoor brat and if that happened I would have shrugged it off and expected him not to go there again.
Both takes are 100% correct
Oh my god i wrote mine after you wrote yours.
Yours is way better. Kudos.
I mean… yeah
What’re you in The Bloods, you can’t say cat? C’mon 5, what’s brackin’?
“Nobody got hurt, just LET ASSHOLE BE ASSHOLES! MUH FREEDUMS!”
Nah, I’m a firm believer in ‘Fuck around and Find out’
It’s the risk you take letting your kid go outside. It’s not even like water is harmful to it.
I used to have a kid that went outside and if thst happened I would have shrugged it off and expected him to not go there anymore.
That the risk you take
Well someone might just hit your car, that’s the risk you take by driving, nobody got hurt, they shouldn’t be held accountable. I would have shrugged it off and started taking the bus.
This is fun, we can remove all accountability from everything that’s not harming someone directly!
Well, you don’t have to let your cat go outside. In fact is kind of reckless to do so.
Well, you don’t have to drive it’s kind of reckless to do that too.
It’s cruelty. Can we chuck water over you?
I think calling a splash of water from some dumb child “cruelty” delegitimizes actual cruelty. It’s shit behavior for sure, but don’t compare it to someone who tortures animals for fun.
They didn’t compare it. You are putting words in peoples mouths now.
Only if I am walking on your fence
But why is it a problem if it’s not doing you any harm?
I am not saying it’s something you should do if someone walks on peoples fences.
You are by elimination
If someone intentionally caused harm to any of my cats, I live near a large national forest, and once you get a few hundred yards off a trail, no one is going to find a body.
Yep you harm a hair on my cats head, my vengeance will be swift and brutal
