Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) let loose on Trump at a rally, calling him a "criminal," a liar, a "rapist," and a stock market cheat — for starters.
The Democrats are constantly cutting their own hamstrings by courting the conservatives base rather than their own base. That’s why they always lose. Too many Chuck Schumers, not enough AOCs. The mainstream dems can’t stop suckling the corporate teet long enough to notice they’re getting played.
At this point, I assume anyone still harping on this is a conservative provocative looking to stir up division.
The truth is it’s possible for more than one group to be at fault. Those who stayed home have a ton of blame, the centrist dipshits at the DNC have a ton of blame, and the Republicans themselves have the most blame of all.
Quit trying to sew division. We need unity now, not to rehash old grievances.
If you keep returning to this argument rather than uniting to fight fascism, aren’t you doing the same thing as people that didn’t vote/voted for a 3rd party?
You’re intentionally shifting the argument back to blaming leftists to justify your own morality rather than addressing the current situation, which is dealing with the immediate threat of full blown fascism.
The voters weren’t given a good enough choice to hold their nose for the 4th time in a row…
You’re acting like people just chose this election to sit out and havent been disenfranchised for (for the majority of Dem voters) their entire lives.
Because for you personally, things haven’t been that bad yet, so you refused to help anyone else because “what are they gonna do, vote Republican?”
Completely ignorant of how voting works and that the result would just be checking out of politics and not voting. Which when enough Americans do, Republicans win elections
You didn’t want to help anyone, and now you’re mad the people you weren’t going to help no matter who won the election didn’t help you
As I told someone else, the solution is helping everyone so people will be motivated to vote because they have something to lose.
Like, how the fuck does someone make it to 2025 and realize that people with nothing to lose act like they have nothing to lose?
The “moderate” wing followed the same playbook that got Hitler elected by fighting the left harder than they fight the right…
And are now acting shocked when the same result happened.
So you’re mad at everyone that warned you like people in the 1500s burning a woman for being a witch because she said a storm was coming.
Fucking ridiculous mate. But at least you feel self important, that’s what matters to some people I guess.
In 2012 I did, most of my friends at the time did.
Was glad to vote for him in 08 tho, even tho I was in the military and we literally got lined up to have a senior officer tell us voting D was voting against giving all of us a pay raise.
But by 2012…
I voted for the least evil option and have in every general election ever since.
Maybe you had no issues with him, but how is it surprising that some people felt let down by 2010, let alone 2012?
You didn’t have any friends back then who were already disillusioned?
I guess you might have just still been in school back then and weren’t paying attention. I know when I was a kid I thought Bill Clinton was great, it wasn’t till I grew up that I saw more than his MTV appearances or when he had “sexual relations” with an intern.
I did learn that the coverup is worse than the crime though from all that.
People are dumb emotional animal, and propaganda works. Bitching about this fact won’t change it. We live in a system where everyone gets to vote, even the stupid. If you as a politician fail to appeal to everyone, regardless of intelligence, then you are the one to blame.
I mean, neither side took a stand against genocide, so any would-be progressive who sought to “punish” the Democrats by not voting for them over this gets as much sympathy from me as all the regressive dipshits whose faces keep getting eaten by leopards. Every vote that wasn’t cast for the “genocidal” Democrats was a vote cast for the genocidal and also fascist white nationalist party.
How’s it feel knowing you’ve got a great view of 'Murrica openly trying to emulate 1930s Germany from the saddle of your moral high horse?
Just 28% of Democratic voters said they support a so-called “moderate” approach.
How does it feel knowing you facilitated fascism by refusing to hold establishment democrats’ feet to the fire so they would adopt a platform for people instead of billionaires?
Yes, it was totally the fault of random people (especially citizens of another country like me) who didn’t push the Dems to be more progressive that got Trump the win… because all the people who voted the orange shitstain totally would’ve swung left if the left party had been more left. Makes perfect sense.
Yes. Here you are throwing progressives under the bus. Blaming them for democrats losing (time and time again) when reality shows progressive ideas have broad support. Polls show Bernie would have beat Donald in 2016, but we had to have Hilary, whose slogan was “I’m with her” because she had no platform. Well, not a public one, and not one that would actually help anyone with fewer than seven digits in their net worth. She’s literally says as much in her book What Happened where she says over and over that every proposed platform plank sounded great but was shot down because it involved transferring some (small amount of) money from the rich to the poor.
The democrats are the party of billionaires just as much as republicans, they’re just less overtly racist.
Their centrism (really, steady rightward march) is literally killing us.
I think you might have me confused with someone else. I do have 4-5 accounts on different instances, but only because I abandon my current one every few months and use my email provider to generate a new alias for a new instance and use the alias as my username.
This is for anonymity purposes because I’ve been vocally critical of the current US administration, but I guess my writing style is unique enough that you could follow me. Thanks for letting me know I need to step up my game.
It does follow the pattern you noticed, but I’m sure I’m not the only user who does this. And I never re-login to an account once I make a new one.
I think it’s ent wine, but I just use the email alias that my provider generates for me when I change accounts and instances every few months for a layer of anonymity.
I guess I piss off ByteData enough that he’s noticed the pattern my provider uses, but didn’t notice that once I switch accounts I never use the old one again.
Plus, I’m probably not the only one who does this.
But the Democrats didn’t offer them a pony
The Democrats are constantly cutting their own hamstrings by courting the conservatives base rather than their own base. That’s why they always lose. Too many Chuck Schumers, not enough AOCs. The mainstream dems can’t stop suckling the corporate teet long enough to notice they’re getting played.
At this point, I assume anyone still harping on this is a conservative provocative looking to stir up division.
The truth is it’s possible for more than one group to be at fault. Those who stayed home have a ton of blame, the centrist dipshits at the DNC have a ton of blame, and the Republicans themselves have the most blame of all.
Quit trying to sew division. We need unity now, not to rehash old grievances.
Oh FUCKING NOW we need unity?!
Fuck you people forever.
no, you’re doing unity wrong
The left:
Fascists:
“Moderates”:
Do you legitimately not understand what’s happening now?
Because it’s literally the same way Nazis came to power the first time; “moderates” fighting the left
Absolutely incredible to acknowledge that voters chose fascism because the alternative wasn’t perfect enough, yet still act like they’re blameless.
If you keep returning to this argument rather than uniting to fight fascism, aren’t you doing the same thing as people that didn’t vote/voted for a 3rd party?
You’re intentionally shifting the argument back to blaming leftists to justify your own morality rather than addressing the current situation, which is dealing with the immediate threat of full blown fascism.
Yes
The voters weren’t given a good enough choice to hold their nose for the 4th time in a row…
You’re acting like people just chose this election to sit out and havent been disenfranchised for (for the majority of Dem voters) their entire lives.
Because for you personally, things haven’t been that bad yet, so you refused to help anyone else because “what are they gonna do, vote Republican?”
Completely ignorant of how voting works and that the result would just be checking out of politics and not voting. Which when enough Americans do, Republicans win elections
You didn’t want to help anyone, and now you’re mad the people you weren’t going to help no matter who won the election didn’t help you
As I told someone else, the solution is helping everyone so people will be motivated to vote because they have something to lose.
Like, how the fuck does someone make it to 2025 and realize that people with nothing to lose act like they have nothing to lose?
The “moderate” wing followed the same playbook that got Hitler elected by fighting the left harder than they fight the right…
And are now acting shocked when the same result happened.
So you’re mad at everyone that warned you like people in the 1500s burning a woman for being a witch because she said a storm was coming.
Fucking ridiculous mate. But at least you feel self important, that’s what matters to some people I guess.
Are you fucking suggesting we held our nose to vote for President Obama?
In 2012 I did, most of my friends at the time did.
Was glad to vote for him in 08 tho, even tho I was in the military and we literally got lined up to have a senior officer tell us voting D was voting against giving all of us a pay raise.
But by 2012…
I voted for the least evil option and have in every general election ever since.
Maybe you had no issues with him, but how is it surprising that some people felt let down by 2010, let alone 2012?
You didn’t have any friends back then who were already disillusioned?
I guess you might have just still been in school back then and weren’t paying attention. I know when I was a kid I thought Bill Clinton was great, it wasn’t till I grew up that I saw more than his MTV appearances or when he had “sexual relations” with an intern.
I did learn that the coverup is worse than the crime though from all that.
Both of your post were refreshing to read
People are dumb emotional animal, and propaganda works. Bitching about this fact won’t change it. We live in a system where everyone gets to vote, even the stupid. If you as a politician fail to appeal to everyone, regardless of intelligence, then you are the one to blame.
I wouldn’t vote for a politician that appealed to everyone because that would mean they did things I fond reprehensible.
Or eggs.
“Taking a stand against genocide” = pony. Got it.
You chose the genocide harder option. How did that help anyone?
Citation needed.
I mean, neither side took a stand against genocide, so any would-be progressive who sought to “punish” the Democrats by not voting for them over this gets as much sympathy from me as all the regressive dipshits whose faces keep getting eaten by leopards. Every vote that wasn’t cast for the “genocidal” Democrats was a vote cast for the genocidal and also fascist white nationalist party.
How’s it feel knowing you’ve got a great view of 'Murrica openly trying to emulate 1930s Germany from the saddle of your moral high horse?
Straw man. I voted for Harris.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/aoc-democrats:
How does it feel knowing you facilitated fascism by refusing to hold establishment democrats’ feet to the fire so they would adopt a platform for people instead of billionaires?
Yes, it was totally the fault of random people (especially citizens of another country like me) who didn’t push the Dems to be more progressive that got Trump the win… because all the people who voted the orange shitstain totally would’ve swung left if the left party had been more left. Makes perfect sense.
Yes. Here you are throwing progressives under the bus. Blaming them for democrats losing (time and time again) when reality shows progressive ideas have broad support. Polls show Bernie would have beat Donald in 2016, but we had to have Hilary, whose slogan was “I’m with her” because she had no platform. Well, not a public one, and not one that would actually help anyone with fewer than seven digits in their net worth. She’s literally says as much in her book What Happened where she says over and over that every proposed platform plank sounded great but was shot down because it involved transferring some (small amount of) money from the rich to the poor.
The democrats are the party of billionaires just as much as republicans, they’re just less overtly racist.
Their centrism (really, steady rightward march) is literally killing us.
Well, now we have genocide in the US, so how did taking that stand work out?
Lol, where LMAO? Stop cheapening the meaning of words
You alright?
I can’t speak for the other person, but no. Not at all.
Do I need to change my name to name-name-3digits to join your trollfarm?
Edit: they got me boys, there goes all my karma. Hahah.
Oh no. Don’t group me with those people please
based on your comment history… its ok, you’re cool. :)
Haha this feels like the poor folks who end their username with their birth year being 88.
Not all is random name 3 letters are trolls.
Hmm
I think you might have me confused with someone else. I do have 4-5 accounts on different instances, but only because I abandon my current one every few months and use my email provider to generate a new alias for a new instance and use the alias as my username.
This is for anonymity purposes because I’ve been vocally critical of the current US administration, but I guess my writing style is unique enough that you could follow me. Thanks for letting me know I need to step up my game.
It does follow the pattern you noticed, but I’m sure I’m not the only user who does this. And I never re-login to an account once I make a new one.
What?
“Entwine” is one word…
But could you imagine Ent wine? Like, what does a tree get drunk on?
Fermented orc blood. Distilled for a really good time. There was a really good vintage out of the East recently.
I think it’s ent wine, but I just use the email alias that my provider generates for me when I change accounts and instances every few months for a layer of anonymity.
I guess I piss off ByteData enough that he’s noticed the pattern my provider uses, but didn’t notice that once I switch accounts I never use the old one again.
Plus, I’m probably not the only one who does this.
Can confirm. No pony was offered and several people on here loudly proclaimed they would be allowing trump to win because of it.