Yeah, because if he comes back, he’s going to be put on a media circuit where he’s going to say what he saw there, which is a fucking concentration camp.
or he’s just dead and the prison in el Salvador is a wood chipper on the way to el Salvador
I have a depressing feeling he’s dead. the narrative I’ve seen is that the gangs tried to extort his mother and he stood up to them as a teen, and they had to leave to avoid retribution… which was the primary reason (in addition to being a good worker, references, etc) that a judge in the US issued an order not to deport him years ago.
so to disappear him in the carceral warehouse with absolutely no shot of recovery works for trump, the fuck stick running El Salvador, th guards, and the gangs.
last I checked he had not been heard from since they grabbed him.
I have been trying to keep up with this story as much as my sanity allows. it is fucking horrible.
he may not have been heard from because prisoners in CECOT are not allowed any direct contact with the outside. No lawyer or family visits or calls. I’ve talked with some Salvadoran activists about the CECOT and they mostly talk about the overcrowding, poor food and hygiene, and a complete lack of dignity and privacy. They didn’t talk about violence in there though, except from the guards. Even if the gangs hate this guy they may not be able to get him, prisoners aren’t even given clothes or rooms there. If he is dead it is because the guards allowed it.
On Saturday, the State Department told a judge that Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Maryland father who was abducted to CECOT prison as an “administrative error,” is alive and still detained in El Salvador. A judge last week ordered the Trump administration to return him home to Maryland.
Anybody see the “Homegrowns next” comment during this meeting? That’s us isn’t it? We’re the homegrowns I’m pretty sure.
There’s nobody here but us liberals.
If you’re actively agitating, then yes. But they don’t really care about posters for now. Hassan would get rolled up before us.
So we’re officially there then. It’s fully out in the open now, even more so than before. Be very careful what you say online folks, join an org yesterday, we are in 1939 mode.
join an org yesterday
An org? I’m missing the point here.
Joining an socialist / aligned organization. Local mutual aid / volunteering stuff.
Or your local sra/jbgc.
it’s time to party
It’s revolution time
So the poor man is either dead because it’s a fucking death camp or maybe still alive but will not be returned because of the stories he’d be able to tell, Jesus Christ…
They definitely want to make those prisons into essentially a pit they can throw people into to never return. That way they can do whatever they want to the people there and no one will really be able to say for sure what is happening.
And just like Guantanamo Bay it’ll never be closed nor people returned even with a dem in office (if that even happens at this point)
CECOT is Trump’s oubliette
idk what to even say to this, and here I thought the bush jr. years were bad with slapping the “terrorist” label on anything that moves. Please, please, please be careful with whatever you say online anymore because this shit could very easily escalate to black-bagging anyone for saying anything.
and here I thought the bush jr. years were bad with slapping the “terrorist” label on anything that moves
they were bad, this would not be happening now if not for the war on terror and its liberal complicity
Seeing everything come to pass from my cursed visions of the future I had as a teenager during the bush years is driving me mad
haha yeah
How about Ricky from trailer park boys saying Atoadaso!
Well said
and anyone with a shred of common sense and a concept of morality could tell you that this would be the inevitable result. it was plain as fuckin day and bringing it up just got you called an alarmist and an ideological purity tester
I hope chuck schumer dies in CECOT
Thinking back 20 years to all the good liberals who called it when the patriot act was signed into law
You really want to feel the paranoia juice? Look up how much of USAPATRIOT was written down and ready to go before 9/11 even happened. I’m not a “9/11 was an inside job” person, for what it’s worth.
But I am very much a “they were planning this kind of police state bullshit for a long time” guy. Which feels a bit silly having “won” the Cold War a decade before, ending history etc etc. So… what event were they really planning all the crackdown for? (My money’s on the climate)
I’m not sure about that last part. While it may prove useful in the event of a climate collapse scenario I have doubts as to its purpose being so forward-thinking. The USA is white supremacist, built on slavery, the perpetrator of genocides and born from imperialism. Such a state turning its tools inwards is probably just the natural progression of things.
I think it would be mistake to think that these things weren’t being planned for or that the highest levels of Western governments aren’t climate collapse aware, even if the public-facing rhetoric is all about climate change being a hoax or whatever bullshit is being spun to make sure the average American isn’t (rightfully) extremely alarmed at the situation. The highest echelons of the Western militaries have been planning for climate collapse scenarios for decades. Although it’s definitely correct to say that even without a collapsing biosphere that these tools of imperial control would have eventually turned inward anyway.
Yeah it was probably inevitable but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t a plan
The real smoking guns are the convictions for financial crimes including insider trading around 9/11 because how in the hell was there any insider trading if no one knew about it but unfortunately 99% of boomers obsessed with this shit are stuck on “muh steel beans couldn’t be melted by fet jule”
9/11 doesn’t have to be an inside job. It was an inevitability which they were all aware. The whole “we won” and “end of history” narrative was obviously not true and just meant to attempt to pacify people, they knew they were still conducting global imperialism and that eventually some group(s) would try and strike back
The American Civil Liberties Union alleges that extraordinary rendition was developed during the Clinton administration. CIA officials in the mid-1990s were trying to track down and dismantle militant Islamic organizations in the Middle East, particularly Al Qaeda.[15]
According to Clinton administration official Richard Clarke:
‘extraordinary renditions’, were operations to apprehend terrorists abroad, usually without the knowledge of and almost always without public acknowledgment of the host government … The first time I proposed a snatch, in 1993, the White House Counsel, Lloyd Cutler, demanded a meeting with the President to explain how it violated international law. Clinton had seemed to be siding with Cutler until Al Gore belatedly joined the meeting, having just flown overnight from South Africa. Clinton recapped the arguments on both sides for Gore: ‘Lloyd says this. Dick says that.’ Gore laughed and said, ‘That’s a no-brainer. Of course it’s a violation of international law, that’s why it’s a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his ass.’
Both the Bush and Clinton cases involved apprehending known terrorists abroad, by covert means if necessary. The Bush administration expanded the policy after the 9/11 attacks.
All roads lead to imperialism/further extraction of the natural world
Self-Limiting sounds like a dangeros idea. Paraphrasing Tum Snyder: don’t concede early
just be careful is all i would advise. don’t make careless death threats, don’t openly discuss blatantly illegal plans, use a VPN, use encrypted messaging (not signal) if you are involved in something slightly more serious and probably don’t put anything in digital writing if you’re actually hardcore (but these people hopefully already know that)
I agree with you.
Wonderful thing about “rules based order” people… whoever is in charge gets to make the rules and the “rules based order” people can then go, “Well… see… the courts say its so, the police/miltary say its so, the executive branch says its so”, and then poof there is now no conflict that needs to be resolved with the “rules based order” people. They can go along with something that just last week they were upset about because “well, these are the rules that we live with”.
Concentration camps, internment camps, genocides, massive economy tanking tariffs, disastrous environmental policies "thems tthe rules
Healthcare
you’re ruining the fabric of societyExcept when they get the power, they never use it for good. (Rhetorically) Why didn’t Biden and Co come in swinging like Trump did? A good opposition party would have had a huge stack of executive orders ready to sign day one.
They aren’t the heroes of the story. They’re the good cop in the good cop/bad cop routine.
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The argument used to be that expanding the powers of the executive and/or violating norms was too dangerous because it would let the republicans do whatever they wanted. That ship has clearly already sailed a decade ago now, which is why their rhetoric seems increasingly empty.
Yeah, absolutely cooked. I’m looking at it in the context it’s being represented in the mainstream.
Garcia did come here illegally years ago BUT he’s been here for so long blah blah blah blah
OK great. The minute you included that first part, you lost. Godamn, these resisters really fucking suck at resisting.
Almost like bourgeois law doesn’t apply to the bourgeois and it’s almost like we’re all living under a collective delusion that it does
I was reading the blog posts of some of my favourite liberals in response to this, and the whole thing is just “The US is turning fascist and there’s nothing anyone can do and no one to coming to save us.” Just pure brunch energy. So sad, so powerless.
they’re so close to getting it. They’re right that no one is coming to save us, they forgot the logical implication of that is usually you have to do it yourself. They’ve tried nothing and they’re all out of ideas, ready to admit defeat before even lifting a finger
Waiting on the Parlimentarian to save us…any second now.
Sorry the parliamentarian can only tell the Democrats what they’re not allowed to do
You’ll see.
Unless the National Parks Service Rangers or Postal Inspectors are willing to be the enforcement arm of the court’s contempt charges, I’m not sure court rulings even matter any more.
Would you like some time on the lathe? This seems like a very funny time.
steven miller just outright inverting the truth here as well, claiming that the 9-0 supreme court decision was actually in their favor
that guy is the most disgusting fascist worm.
And they’re making jokes about it.
Reagan mocking AIDS victims energy.
Now is the time of monsters.
“John
MarshallRoberts has made his decision, now let him enforce it.”
If you were serious about checks and balances the judiciary would have a standing army. Failing that now’s the time to remember you can deputize basically anybody into USMS service. Get cracking
Fever dream right there, USMS rolling up half or more of the executive.
The supreme court never demanded that the US government returns Abergo Garcia. The supreme court says that the US government just needs to “facilitate” his return. The demand from the district court that the US government “effectuate” his return from a previous district court ruling was considered unclear and exceeding the district court’s authority. So in essence all the supreme court asked was for the US to make his possible return to the United States easier (facilitate), and not forcing the US government to return Garcia to the United States (effectuate). Liberals, who are wishing for some idealistic showdown between the supreme court and the US government out of a Harry Potter novel and wish casting a constitutional crisis, misread and misunderstood the demands of the supreme court order.
The rest of the District Court’s order remains in effect but requires clarification on remand. The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador. The intended scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Court’s order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court’s authority. The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. For its part, the Government should be prepared to share what it can concerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further steps.
The supreme court says that the US government just needs to “facilitate” his return.
Any good-faith reading would interpret “facilitate” as the US needs to do everything in its power to bring him back. Roberts tried to do Trump a solid by using very polite language in the Court’s order. You are repeating the administration’s bad faith interpretation of the ruling, rather than what any lawyer practicing in good faith would actually interpret the order as.
Roberts tried to hand Trump a way to come down from this gently. This is going to go back to SCOTUS, at which point they will issue a ruling that is completely unambiguous and has no wiggle room for bad faith interpretations.
It was worded that way to give plausible deniability when it was inevitably interpreted in bad faith
I don’t believe it will go back to SCOTUS for them to issue a less ambiguous ruling. The ruling was intentionally ambiguous as to allow Trump the wiggle room to not have to address it. It’s better to give him a way to weasel out than to actually put the “checks and balances” to the test and reveal the entire system as flawed/fraudulent.
It doesn’t necessarily matter if it’s a bad faith interpretation, it’s the interpretation currently in action. If it wasn’t in action, Garcia would already be on his way back to the United States. This was discussed as a distinct possibility when the ruling was initially announced due to the difference in definition between facilitate and effectuate, before the Trump administration took any actions, or in this case, a lack of action to repatriate Garcia.
Lawyers don’t participate in good faith, their responsibility is to secure the best outcome for their client within the constraints of the legal system. Trump’s legal team will have read the ruling this way, because it gives them an obvious out here, as you have pointed out. It doesn’t matter to them if it’s a bad faith interpretation, as long as it’s an interpretation that can be put into action. The second paragraph in my original comment is not an interpretation in any way, it’s a direct quote from the ruling.
Just to make it clear I do not agree with any of this, I detest it. But this is what is happening currently, I think any idea of some kind of grand Trump - supreme court showdown and constitutional crisis is overblown. For some reason the United States have decided to make their supreme court a partisan institution, and the majority of current judges in the court are Republican nominees. If the court was non partisan, then the chances of such a showdown would be much greater.
I love how the entirety of the the judicial system is predicated on word games dressed up in deeply dubious notions of “reasonability” and “good-faith”
I also think if
wanted to do a cynical thing he’d move him to Gitmo and say “his laywer has access and he’s not in El-CIAdoor” just keep swaping blacksites.
