“Yeah, I voted for Trump, absolutely. Did I know he was going to increase the tariffs? Yes, I did,” he said. “However, I thought that the infrastructure would be set up prior for small business to come back to America and manufacture in America. …"
When the fuck did Trump promise that, bozo? Small business support was the Biden/Harris campaign platform.
Hear me out: We pool our money together to pay for the infrastructure. It will be a percentage of your income for it. Those who make more money pay a higher percentage because they benefit from that infrastructure more. Then we have organizations to make sure the money is fairly collected and responsibly spent and make sure they can do their work unhindered.
Oh wait, that’s like the opposite of what Trump has been doing.
What gets me is what infrastructure did he think would be setup? Did he expect magical wheel factories to appear for him to start distributing from? It’s not like he’s designing or something guy is just drop shipping cheap alloy wheels.
I mean… politically I 100% agree with you, but most people are emotional fuckwits. We are humans and overriding our instincts is not only very difficult, but we delude ourselves into thinking we are better at it then we are. Yeah that includes me.
We aren’t divided by our intellect but by our experiences. When I was younger and more insular, I was a conservative (technically a “fiscal conservative, social liberal,” which I’ve since learned is a position possible only through ignorance). As I gained experience with more types of people, I gained perspective that granted me a more liberal outlook.
I didn’t get any smarter. Hell, I wish I was still twenty and knew everything about everything. I think even the stupidest of us can learn, but it takes being exposed to different perspectives.
Anyway, I understand the instinct to decry Republicans as universally idiots, and sometimes I fall into the same trap. But it’s my perspective that makes me give more credence to left-wing sources and ideas, and their lack of it that leads them to believe only right-wing sources that say the things that emotionally resonate with them.
I don’t know that I’m arguing with you as such. I don’t even know that you don’t understand that and “moron fuckwit” isn’t just cathartic shorthand for the above, which I would totally do myself. But every once in a while I feel the need to point out that we’re all human and more unites us than divides us (granted many conservatives don’t feel that way…) and I guess this was just the post that triggered it.
True wisdom is understanding how much you don’t know! And to a certain extent what you say is true.
But, as Bill Watterson once said, ‘most ignorance is willful’. Quite a lot of people don’t want to look into things more than surface level, because it’s too much work, and too scary to step outside of their comfort zones.
And, y’know, I’d be kind of fine with that? Except their ignorance is actively hurting people.
And then, sadly, there’s a lot of people who are just bullies, and use their ignorance to prop up their fragile egos. A friend of mine has been disowned by her family because she’s trans. They refuse to speak to her, and have been cheering on Trump’s deportations and treatment of trans folks.
I really struggle with that one. When you hate your own child, I think you’re dealing with something more than just ignorance. I think you’re dealing with parents who have a child and then wanted the child to be a certain way and are upset and disappointed and feel like their dreams have been stolen by the “choices” of their own child. It’s a kind of narcissism, I’d guess?
I don’t know but you’re right that you can’t just expose them any further to help them understand. They feel like their dreams or legacy or whatever has been attacked. My step-son’s dad took several years to come around and accept that his only son is gay, but he did. But a close friend of mine lost many family members when she transitioned.
It’s something more than just ignorance. I have my own ideas to explain it, but no thoughts on how to fix it. I suspect it’s a lot of patriarchy—men who think they are entitled to control their wives and children to a large degree (and women who accept and embrace that). Probably a bit of religious identity where they’ve been told the entity that grants eternal life also forbids who their child is and they feel they must love their god more than their child.
No you’re right that there are people whose sense of identity is tied to hatred and control of others. Even that I think is less stupidity and more an inability to detach the parts of their identity that hurt people around them that they should love.
This is a neighbour to the “Shirley Exception”. Let’s call it the “Shirley Prerequisite.”
People will hear an idea they broadly like, and rather than actually examine how its going to be implemented, they’ll simply assume that it will be the way that they would implement it, because to them that’s obviously the only logical way to do it. Sometimes their way is the logical way, sometimes it isn’t, but the point is that they can’t get out of their head enough to consider any other possibility.
In this case, the possibility left unconsidered is that Trump is a fucking moron.
When the fuck did Trump promise that, bozo? Small business support was the Biden/Harris campaign platform.
He’s lying. He did not think that, he’s only saying that retroactively because that’s something that he’s just recently learned about tariffs.
Dude is retconning his own memory in an attempt to avoid the cognitive dissonance.
That’s exactly what’s happening.
He considered the tariff proposal with vibe-based reasoning.
Bringing manufacturing back to America sounds like something that might be good. Someone says tariffs will do that. That’s the extent of the thinking.
Hear me out: We pool our money together to pay for the infrastructure. It will be a percentage of your income for it. Those who make more money pay a higher percentage because they benefit from that infrastructure more. Then we have organizations to make sure the money is fairly collected and responsibly spent and make sure they can do their work unhindered.
Oh wait, that’s like the opposite of what Trump has been doing.
“You sound like a commie!”
I’ve unironically met someone in real life that thought taxes are a scam and should be abolished. How blissful it must be in his head.
I’m jealous that you’ve only met one libertarian in real life.
What gets me is what infrastructure did he think would be setup? Did he expect magical wheel factories to appear for him to start distributing from? It’s not like he’s designing or something guy is just drop shipping cheap alloy wheels.
Thing is, he didn’t think. He felt. He was a moron emotional fuckwit. Like all republicans.
I mean… politically I 100% agree with you, but most people are emotional fuckwits. We are humans and overriding our instincts is not only very difficult, but we delude ourselves into thinking we are better at it then we are. Yeah that includes me.
We aren’t divided by our intellect but by our experiences. When I was younger and more insular, I was a conservative (technically a “fiscal conservative, social liberal,” which I’ve since learned is a position possible only through ignorance). As I gained experience with more types of people, I gained perspective that granted me a more liberal outlook.
I didn’t get any smarter. Hell, I wish I was still twenty and knew everything about everything. I think even the stupidest of us can learn, but it takes being exposed to different perspectives.
Anyway, I understand the instinct to decry Republicans as universally idiots, and sometimes I fall into the same trap. But it’s my perspective that makes me give more credence to left-wing sources and ideas, and their lack of it that leads them to believe only right-wing sources that say the things that emotionally resonate with them.
I don’t know that I’m arguing with you as such. I don’t even know that you don’t understand that and “moron fuckwit” isn’t just cathartic shorthand for the above, which I would totally do myself. But every once in a while I feel the need to point out that we’re all human and more unites us than divides us (granted many conservatives don’t feel that way…) and I guess this was just the post that triggered it.
You’ve done more self reflection in this one comment than old white sunglasses pfp have in their entire lives.
True wisdom is understanding how much you don’t know! And to a certain extent what you say is true.
But, as Bill Watterson once said, ‘most ignorance is willful’. Quite a lot of people don’t want to look into things more than surface level, because it’s too much work, and too scary to step outside of their comfort zones.
And, y’know, I’d be kind of fine with that? Except their ignorance is actively hurting people.
And then, sadly, there’s a lot of people who are just bullies, and use their ignorance to prop up their fragile egos. A friend of mine has been disowned by her family because she’s trans. They refuse to speak to her, and have been cheering on Trump’s deportations and treatment of trans folks.
What do you even do with people like that?
Which is what makes narcissists in positions of power so goddamn dangerous
And here in the US, we’ve got two of them!
I really struggle with that one. When you hate your own child, I think you’re dealing with something more than just ignorance. I think you’re dealing with parents who have a child and then wanted the child to be a certain way and are upset and disappointed and feel like their dreams have been stolen by the “choices” of their own child. It’s a kind of narcissism, I’d guess?
I don’t know but you’re right that you can’t just expose them any further to help them understand. They feel like their dreams or legacy or whatever has been attacked. My step-son’s dad took several years to come around and accept that his only son is gay, but he did. But a close friend of mine lost many family members when she transitioned.
It’s something more than just ignorance. I have my own ideas to explain it, but no thoughts on how to fix it. I suspect it’s a lot of patriarchy—men who think they are entitled to control their wives and children to a large degree (and women who accept and embrace that). Probably a bit of religious identity where they’ve been told the entity that grants eternal life also forbids who their child is and they feel they must love their god more than their child.
No you’re right that there are people whose sense of identity is tied to hatred and control of others. Even that I think is less stupidity and more an inability to detach the parts of their identity that hurt people around them that they should love.
Good call out, for sure.
This is a neighbour to the “Shirley Exception”. Let’s call it the “Shirley Prerequisite.”
People will hear an idea they broadly like, and rather than actually examine how its going to be implemented, they’ll simply assume that it will be the way that they would implement it, because to them that’s obviously the only logical way to do it. Sometimes their way is the logical way, sometimes it isn’t, but the point is that they can’t get out of their head enough to consider any other possibility.
In this case, the possibility left unconsidered is that Trump is a fucking moron.
Fox got him so confused he,
Yeah, but that platform would have also helped brown people.