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Source: https://photon.lemmy.world/comment/16345722
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Source: https://photon.lemmy.world/comment/16345188
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Source: https://photon.lemmy.world/comment/16347157
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Source: https://photon.lemmy.world/comment/16358306
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So, the reason listed for removal of two of the comments was “Rule 2”.
That community has two rules listed:
I would assume that dessalines dicked up on the citation for the “Rule 2” comments, and his real reason was actually rule 1, as both of those comments contained insults.
I do not use the !memes@lemmy.ml community, and generally speaking, I think that people are better off just downvoting incivility than having a moderator censor it, unless it actually turns into a flamewar that’s flooding the comments. However, I don’t think that it’s unreasonable to say that this was a violation of the community’s rules, or that the rules are outside the scope of what a lot of people would consider reasonable, and I don’t think that this is twisting the rules on ideological grounds or anything like that.
You could find the same sort of restrictions on places other than lemmy.ml or lemmygrad.ml. I can understand objecting to them, but I don’t think that that sort of thing is something specific to .ml.
Just to clarify, these are .ml admins performing the action and are not referencing comm rules, they’re referencing instance wide rules. Rule 1 (Bigotry) and Rule 2 (Be respectful) (Very rarely do you see an actual comm mod modding on .ml lol)
These 2 rules are known to be used as their “catch alls”, they use them interchangeably for any speech they don’t like (e.g. speech critical of Russia, China, NK) (See: Here Here and here for some examples) but will happily leave some really cringy stuff up so long as it aligns with their viewpoints.
Even when that speech they do like does actually cross some serious lines even for them, they’ll maybe give their fellow tankie a 24 hour ban where all non-Tankie get 14 or 30 day bans for not even offensive speech (And another example)
Here’s an admin basically saying rule 1 is for dealing with instances to stupid to see the “true path”
Okay, thanks for the instance rule clarification.
I still have a hard time getting terribly upset from the content shown on the post. Like, if someone were to write a bot that built a list of comments calling someone a “moron”, say, then build a list of which were removed and which not and who the target was, and one found that 90% of “moron” comments about, say, Putin were removed, but only 10% of comments about people as a whole, that would be a much more convincing argument for me buying that the rule was simply being used as justification for arbitrary removal.
But in this case, I think that it’s hard to say that the comments didn’t violate that instance rule. I mean, what it’s showing is that they have an instance rule and an instance admin removed content that appears to me to violate the rule. I would not personally, were I admining an instance, write such a rule. But I think that it’s very reasonable for there to be people out there who want to have such a rule, and are not trying to use it surreptitiously to push tankie stuff. Beehaw.org has a similar rule (“be nice”), for example. This isn’t to say that dessalines or other instance admins don’t abuse the rule in the way that you mention, and if they do, I can understand objecting to that…but I don’t think that the submitted screenshots demonstrate that.
EDIT: And just to be clear, this also isn’t to argue that lemmy.ml doesn’t have objectionable admin or moderation activity. I avoid lemmy.ml communities myself.