India is not going to help China, they’re a reactionary/fascist nation actively trying to stab China in the back and take their industry and courting the US for a trade deal which the US will give them in exchange for helping move important (iphone, etc) manufacturing from China to India for the US.
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Amazing how the political knowledge about the world’s most populous nation always just boils down to some racist drivel about the place you can find on x
nation actively trying to stab China in the back and take their industry
These two nations each contribute around a billion people to this world and they literally share a border. ‘Stab them in the back’ would imply India and China are not in an adversarial relationship out of sheer circumstance and geography but rather ideology.
Do you think China just hands over geopolitical advantages to India? You keep playing on some evil Indian trope suggesting they’re out to betray nations (which, they should absolutely do) and whatever other anti Indian stereotype you’ve surely been brought up by the internet to believe in. but India has pretty consistently voted outside the US/Nato block. Despite 2.5 billion people fucking occupying 1/3rd of an entire continent, the two nations have made ties in the form of BRICS formation.
I can honestly say I wasn’t trying to read anything special into the stabbing thing other than both are BRICS, non-white, and should if everyone is thinking right be allies against the US but are not. So I apologize if that was read to be some sort of trope, I promise It was not my intention (unfamiliar with any kind of history where India has been anything but a victim of say your standard white colonial backstabbing). I’ve used similar language describing hypothetical scenarios with Russia.
Let me correct a bit they’re a nation thoroughly in the grips of a reactionary religious-political movement that has control of the government and seems to me unlikely to be dislodged through elections by any group with a more meaningfully left program and certainly not by one more anti-west and pro-cooperation with China. Fair enough?
Modi and his ruling party are Hindu nationalists (supremacists), reactionary, and all around not great people for China or for Indians for that matter. Fair enough?
I understand there are Marxist movements in India. I understand there are many good comrades there. But as the state of India is concerned (and when talking geopolitics its states we concern ourselves with and their present and near future nature) and as it functions it has been and remains an accomplice of the west regardless of intentions in that regard. The kind of third way independent nations stuff they clutched to in the cold war of sitting on the sidelines rather than aligning with the USSR or China for that matter is something I’ve seen criticized pretty harshly by some Indian leftists and the policy they pursue now also not good and I think at odds with world-wide liberation from the primary contradiction of the US/NATO.
However, BJP leadership at some level I think look on at China with negative emotions. Because both countries were former victims of colonialism, both in similar positions in 1960 and yet in dramatically different positions now. The Indian leadership being reactionaries like all reactionaries cannot accept something like “Marxism works, it worked to the salvation of the Chinese people and it could work for our people”, but must instead resort to other thinking, to petty jealousies and racial hatreds and conspiracies which they stir up in their party controlled media. They like all capitalists and especially religious/ethno-nationalist supremacists suffer from zero sum thinking, for them to win China must lose, for India to be powerful China must be weakened. This is obvious from the reactionary Indian media anyone can peruse.
I would love to see a revolution in India but on the basis of the history of the past 50 years I cannot count on it coming to pass soon enough to matter for the calculations and plans I’m talking about.
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Amazing how the political knowledge about the world’s most populous nation always just boils down to some racist drivel about the place you can find on x
But I agree with the rest of your post
Can you provide a correction here? Cuz I’ll freely admit I don’t know shit
These two nations each contribute around a billion people to this world and they literally share a border. ‘Stab them in the back’ would imply India and China are not in an adversarial relationship out of sheer circumstance and geography but rather ideology.
Do you think China just hands over geopolitical advantages to India? You keep playing on some evil Indian trope suggesting they’re out to betray nations (which, they should absolutely do) and whatever other anti Indian stereotype you’ve surely been brought up by the internet to believe in. but India has pretty consistently voted outside the US/Nato block. Despite 2.5 billion people fucking occupying 1/3rd of an entire continent, the two nations have made ties in the form of BRICS formation.
Gonna need you to take a step back from me and start reading usernames
I can honestly say I wasn’t trying to read anything special into the stabbing thing other than both are BRICS, non-white, and should if everyone is thinking right be allies against the US but are not. So I apologize if that was read to be some sort of trope, I promise It was not my intention (unfamiliar with any kind of history where India has been anything but a victim of say your standard white colonial backstabbing). I’ve used similar language describing hypothetical scenarios with Russia.
Let me correct a bit they’re a nation thoroughly in the grips of a reactionary religious-political movement that has control of the government and seems to me unlikely to be dislodged through elections by any group with a more meaningfully left program and certainly not by one more anti-west and pro-cooperation with China. Fair enough?
Modi and his ruling party are Hindu nationalists (supremacists), reactionary, and all around not great people for China or for Indians for that matter. Fair enough?
I understand there are Marxist movements in India. I understand there are many good comrades there. But as the state of India is concerned (and when talking geopolitics its states we concern ourselves with and their present and near future nature) and as it functions it has been and remains an accomplice of the west regardless of intentions in that regard. The kind of third way independent nations stuff they clutched to in the cold war of sitting on the sidelines rather than aligning with the USSR or China for that matter is something I’ve seen criticized pretty harshly by some Indian leftists and the policy they pursue now also not good and I think at odds with world-wide liberation from the primary contradiction of the US/NATO.
However, BJP leadership at some level I think look on at China with negative emotions. Because both countries were former victims of colonialism, both in similar positions in 1960 and yet in dramatically different positions now. The Indian leadership being reactionaries like all reactionaries cannot accept something like “Marxism works, it worked to the salvation of the Chinese people and it could work for our people”, but must instead resort to other thinking, to petty jealousies and racial hatreds and conspiracies which they stir up in their party controlled media. They like all capitalists and especially religious/ethno-nationalist supremacists suffer from zero sum thinking, for them to win China must lose, for India to be powerful China must be weakened. This is obvious from the reactionary Indian media anyone can peruse.
I would love to see a revolution in India but on the basis of the history of the past 50 years I cannot count on it coming to pass soon enough to matter for the calculations and plans I’m talking about.