And the people who fall for it will pretend they knew it was an illegitimate war all along, when the media narrative finally changes. And they won’t learn anything from this, and they’ll go along with the US narrative again next time.
Violating an agreement guaranteeing Ukraine’s borders? Totally fine. Providing support in accordance with that agreement? A step too far, that’s escalation!
Next tell me how evil nato forced putin to invade Ukraine to prevent nato expansion. And then how two new countries joining nato counts as preventing nato expansion.
Which is it? Should the Minsk agreements have been followed or not? Because every action you’re describing by the west is a violation of the agreements. Zelenskyy ran on neutrality, and respecting agreements made with Russia, then reversed course once elected, and now refuses to hold elections and risk the people electing a real neutral candidate.
The Budapest memorandum. You know, the entire reason Ukraine handed over their nukes? Minsk happened after Russia already violated that. Ukraine should’ve had an entire US arsenal the second Russian troops stepped foot in Ukraine.
And it’s well documented that Russian regulars were there, so don’t bother with the separatist stuff.
Ukrainian sentiment was leaning heavily towards the EU for years, the Russian puppet said “naw we best friends with Russia instead” (even though the parliament overwhelmingly votes to sign an eu trade agreement), the people protested, the government violently cracked down on those protests which only intensified them until the parliament removed him from office (after he fled to Russia, mind you). If you think the US orchestrated all of that, you’re even a bigger western chauvinist than you probably think I am.
While we’re at it, it’s day 1142 of a 3 day operation. Is putin dumb? Can he count?
You should read Jeffrey Sachs’ breakdown of events. You’re just repeating propaganda that’s in no way factual.
The people voted for neutrality. The US removed the president in a soft coup by backing far right extremists. The people again wanted a neutrality president, so Zelenskyy ran on that platform, then completely flipped once elected, and has refused to hold elections since.
This doesn’t have a damn thing to do with what the Ukrainian people want. They’ve made their preference clear plenty.
Hilariously, in the 2014 ish time period, the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians were against joining nato. It shot to over 80% in favor by October 2022. Wonder why that happened?
But let’s get back to the real issue at hand. 1142 IS BIGGER THAN 3. IS PUTIN REALLY BAD AT NUMBERS? ANSWER ME IVAN!
LoL. Right, everyone who isn’t willing to fight to the last Ukrainian in this proxy war is a “Russian propagandist.”
How can the poll be accurate? You nafo bots insist there isn’t any possible way for them to hold an election until the end of the conflict, but they can collect accurate polls?
Funny how the polls always end up pro-nato, but in elections the people keep trying to elect neutrality politicians.
Yeah, that’s what I said. Y’all apply it to everybody who opposes escalation with nuclear superpowers, or supporting US proxy wars.
If you support those, then you’re not anti-war.
But ackchually did you know if you were against the Iraq invasion in 2000s you are pro-saddam? Checkmate, tankies
/s if it wasn’t obvious.
LoL. I remember.
And the people who fall for it will pretend they knew it was an illegitimate war all along, when the media narrative finally changes. And they won’t learn anything from this, and they’ll go along with the US narrative again next time.
Riiiijght! Just like how if you’re anti-Trump and voted for Kamala you’re pro Israel.
Right. Yeah… totally!
Who said that? I don’t deny any of that. Perhaps the party sbould listen to its base? Glad we agree on that.
But it’s not politicially useful to shame people who choose not to vote. That won’t work out.
But it IS politically useful to shame the people that DID vote.
ROFL!
I just wanted people to see what you’re about. Thanks for making it easy.
Violating an agreement guaranteeing Ukraine’s borders? Totally fine. Providing support in accordance with that agreement? A step too far, that’s escalation!
Next tell me how evil nato forced putin to invade Ukraine to prevent nato expansion. And then how two new countries joining nato counts as preventing nato expansion.
Which is it? Should the Minsk agreements have been followed or not? Because every action you’re describing by the west is a violation of the agreements. Zelenskyy ran on neutrality, and respecting agreements made with Russia, then reversed course once elected, and now refuses to hold elections and risk the people electing a real neutral candidate.
You have a complete misunderstanding of the basic facts in this conflict: https://savageminds.substack.com/p/save-ukraine-from-american-meddling
The Budapest memorandum. You know, the entire reason Ukraine handed over their nukes? Minsk happened after Russia already violated that. Ukraine should’ve had an entire US arsenal the second Russian troops stepped foot in Ukraine.
And it’s well documented that Russian regulars were there, so don’t bother with the separatist stuff.
Russia moved in after the US installed a far right puppet regime in a soft coup.
Ukrainian sentiment was leaning heavily towards the EU for years, the Russian puppet said “naw we best friends with Russia instead” (even though the parliament overwhelmingly votes to sign an eu trade agreement), the people protested, the government violently cracked down on those protests which only intensified them until the parliament removed him from office (after he fled to Russia, mind you). If you think the US orchestrated all of that, you’re even a bigger western chauvinist than you probably think I am.
While we’re at it, it’s day 1142 of a 3 day operation. Is putin dumb? Can he count?
You should read Jeffrey Sachs’ breakdown of events. You’re just repeating propaganda that’s in no way factual.
The people voted for neutrality. The US removed the president in a soft coup by backing far right extremists. The people again wanted a neutrality president, so Zelenskyy ran on that platform, then completely flipped once elected, and has refused to hold elections since.
This doesn’t have a damn thing to do with what the Ukrainian people want. They’ve made their preference clear plenty.
Citing a Russian propagandist who has been condemned by many of his colleagues. Nice. But what do the Ukrainian people really think?
https://www.iai.it/en/pubblicazioni/c25/eu-and-ukraines-public-opinion-changing-dynamic
Keep lying tho
Hilariously, in the 2014 ish time period, the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians were against joining nato. It shot to over 80% in favor by October 2022. Wonder why that happened?
But let’s get back to the real issue at hand. 1142 IS BIGGER THAN 3. IS PUTIN REALLY BAD AT NUMBERS? ANSWER ME IVAN!
LoL. Right, everyone who isn’t willing to fight to the last Ukrainian in this proxy war is a “Russian propagandist.”
How can the poll be accurate? You nafo bots insist there isn’t any possible way for them to hold an election until the end of the conflict, but they can collect accurate polls?
Funny how the polls always end up pro-nato, but in elections the people keep trying to elect neutrality politicians.