• SkyezOpen@lemmy.world
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      Ukrainian sentiment was leaning heavily towards the EU for years, the Russian puppet said “naw we best friends with Russia instead” (even though the parliament overwhelmingly votes to sign an eu trade agreement), the people protested, the government violently cracked down on those protests which only intensified them until the parliament removed him from office (after he fled to Russia, mind you). If you think the US orchestrated all of that, you’re even a bigger western chauvinist than you probably think I am.

      While we’re at it, it’s day 1142 of a 3 day operation. Is putin dumb? Can he count?

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        You should read Jeffrey Sachs’ breakdown of events. You’re just repeating propaganda that’s in no way factual.

        The people voted for neutrality. The US removed the president in a soft coup by backing far right extremists. The people again wanted a neutrality president, so Zelenskyy ran on that platform, then completely flipped once elected, and has refused to hold elections since.

        This doesn’t have a damn thing to do with what the Ukrainian people want. They’ve made their preference clear plenty.

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          Citing a Russian propagandist who has been condemned by many of his colleagues. Nice. But what do the Ukrainian people really think?

          https://www.iai.it/en/pubblicazioni/c25/eu-and-ukraines-public-opinion-changing-dynamic

          Keep lying tho

          Hilariously, in the 2014 ish time period, the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians were against joining nato. It shot to over 80% in favor by October 2022. Wonder why that happened?

          But let’s get back to the real issue at hand. 1142 IS BIGGER THAN 3. IS PUTIN REALLY BAD AT NUMBERS? ANSWER ME IVAN!

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            LoL. Right, everyone who isn’t willing to fight to the last Ukrainian in this proxy war is a “Russian propagandist.”

            How can the poll be accurate? You nafo bots insist there isn’t any possible way for them to hold an election until the end of the conflict, but they can collect accurate polls?

            Funny how the polls always end up pro-nato, but in elections the people keep trying to elect neutrality politicians.