Canada’s largest Muslim organisation is outraged over a bill introduced by the Quebec government that would ban headscarves for school support staff and students.

“In Quebec, we made the decision that state and the religion are separate,” said Education Minister Bernard Drainville, CBC News reported. “And today, we say the public schools are separate from religion.”

But the National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM), who are challenging in the Supreme Court the original bill that forbids religious symbols being worn by teachers, say the new bill is another infringement on their rights and unfairly targets hijab-wearing Muslims.

“This renewed attack on the fundamental rights of our community is just one of several recent actions taken by this historically unpopular government to bolster their poll numbers by attacking the rights of Muslim Canadians,” the NCCM said in a social media post.

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    There are reasons for banning hijabs, it’s widely known that it’s a form of oppression against women. Just because some say they wear it voluntarily, doesn’t mean it applies to most.

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      People could be manipulated by emotions to do the worse things ever should we ban expressing emotions?

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        I mean, we do ban some emotions.

        I couldn’t just go outside and let the rage out. Destroying things and punching people. I mean, I could… but I would have to deal with what? Yes. Consequences.

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          We never banned emotions with ban certain actions or hate speech. We can hate anyone we want but we can’t harm them or disrespect them with actions or words

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            Dude I agree with you to some extent. I am looking like this massive aushole right now that hated everyone. But all I really wanted is for religion and public institutions to be separate. And so how is banning hijabs (a religious symbol) from government institutions a bad thing?

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              Nobody is going to convert to Islam just because a teacher or student wear a hijab but you can’t forcing people who want to wear it not to do it. This is the completely opposite of separation of religion and state. How you going to also ban the symbols of the other thousands of unknown religion. How would you know the person who grow a beard for a religious reason or just because it look nice on him?

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                It’s not about other people converting to Islam. I couldn’t care less whatever anyone converts to. Just keep it private.

                And tbh, yes. I know what a „religious beard“ looks like. It looks like pubes on the chin and throat. And no, this isn’t racist also. It’s an observation and opinion.

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                    Yeah, but it’s primarily a Muslim thing. Wow. Someone else also has a horrible beard. Guess that disproves everything I ever said.

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                  Just keep it private.

                  This is a problem because some religions are more visible than others. That’s a part that bothers me. A Christian can tuck their cords necklace into their shirt but what can a Muslim do?

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      You emphasize “some” but do we have any data and real numbers?

      Genuine curiosity, while recognizing this is hard to measure as a lot of oppression can be internalized.

      It’s not an easy discussion (and that’s fine).

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      You appear to be an expert on this. Surely you have conversed with many of these women and have not received all your knowledge from racist media figures.

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        I have received my knowledge from going to school where there is probably 15% Muslims in there. And I heard some of them complain about not only hijabs but in general not being allowed to do certain things.

        This is a free world (the west) and should not condone such „culture“.

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            It‘s probably a shock to you, but I’m not living in Canada, I currently live in Germany (just because this is the Canada „sub“ doesn’t mean everyone who is active here lives in Canada right now) and needy Muslims and also the oppression of Muslim women is quite the hot topic/issue over here.

            Are French nazis? Are (modern) Germans nazis? For banning full face coverage for example? Where do we draw the line?

            If I move somewhere, I fucking assimilate. End of story.

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              You live in germany, who is the second biggest supporter of the terrorist state of israel occupying paledtine for 58 years

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                I couldn’t give two fucks about Middle East, or Israel, Gaza.

                I just want to live my life in Germany. Without Muslims constantly demanding things. Name me one needier religious group. They’re never happy.

                I’m not German. Just because I live here doesn’t mean I’m born here. And I adapted and get along quite well. German people are by far the most open-armed people I’ve ever met. They hate actually nobody unless you piss them off.

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                  I couldn’t give two fucks about Middle East, or Israel, Gaza.

                  Shows your complete lack of morality

                  Name me one needier religious group.

                  I am sure it’s a minority just like muslims supporting rights suppression but many zionists demand to ban the fundamental right to protest because they feel “uncomfortable”

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                    Has nothing to do with morality. We have our own problems no matter where we live. Why do I need to care about Palestine for example?

                    We have a literal war in Europe right now. I feel bad for innocent civilians in Gaza. But we have more pressing issues right next door. So honestly yes, I couldn’t care less. I care about our own shit first and foremost, which is logical. To me. But probably it makes me literally Hitler.

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              Extremely Islamophobic and racist comments

              “This might come as a shock but I live in Germany”

              I am quite unshocked.

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                How is this Islamophobia? Thats exactly what I’m talking about. Everything is apparently Islamophobia. How about it’s just criticism?

                I have nothing against Islam. But like all other religions, I want it out of my day to day life and for people to practice it AT HOME.

                Also… how is Islam a race?

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                  If people wearing a piece of cloth is enough for you to say they should be deported and you do not think there is anything wrong with it you are quite far gone.

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                    Can you please highlight or quote where I asked for deportation?

                    There’s a difference between asking for basic respect and asking for deportation.

                    Maybe you are too far gone.