• Kaput@lemmy.world
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    First a statement, so i dont get put into pro or anti anyone. I utterly hate the hamas leader who decided to sacrifice palestinians for their cause by igniting this latest bloodbath just as much a I hate the israely leaders who cheefully accepted the invitation to violently take the land. I dont give a rat’s ass about religion and strongly advocate against religion being a incentive to kill or be killed. Let people live for fuck’s sake. End of statement. (maybe I need a short motto for this)

    Now out of pure curiosity Israel tell gazaan to leave but offer no destinations, surrounding countries will not accept gazan partly out of not wishing to be destabilized and partly not wanting to help israel in the cleansing. Was westbank ever considered as a destination ? if so how was it received? It seem to me to be the least horrific solution.

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    Well at least we know Trump will handle this much more ethically than that genocide-supporting demon Harris!

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    The IAF blew up 400 men, women and children and today Netanyahu said, “this is only the beginning.”

    You can get deported from the US now for pointing that out.

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    Israel killing civilians at random probably isn’t going to help bring the average Palestinian to their side against Hamas. If they were being nice to the civilians they might actually be willing to help you.

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    If Israel and Russia can get away with it, then too the USA, and this is the ultimate goal: taking back the world to the days of “territorial conquests”.

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    Most of Palestinians are under the age of 18. Basically telling a bunch of kids he’s going to kill them.

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      This is a fact I try to bring up often… It’s a truly disturbing piece of information

      Also, they’re struggling to survive without enough supplies, they’re being cut off from the Internet and power in part so they can’t get their message to the world, and they couldn’t kick out Hamas if they wanted to - they have no organization or individual power to actually do that

      So it’s worth considering…who is this message for?

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    Do you think there’s a 13 year old girl in Gaza who is writing a diary that will be widely read by children across the world 40-50 years from now?

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      Well, with the way things are going, it won’t be read in the U.S.A. It’ll be banned.

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      It’s 2025, the teenagers mostly document their lives on social media. Tent life guy from Gaza got killed but there are others.

      When this empire falls and the genocide history is able to be taught then yes I think some of these video records will be studied by children around the world.

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      Maybe, but it will probably be destroyed by carpet bombing before anyone sees it.

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        It’s not carpet bombing it Ai kill list. It indiscriminately just attacks targets, they’ve been training it the whole time. Palantir is the company

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          It’s probably not them. I didn’t see anything about Gaza genocide in the impact studies section.

          /s

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      Maybe, but the IDF will definitely burn anything they find, don’t want more records of their crimes where they can avoid it

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      The Germans occupied the Netherlands during WW2 and most (non Jewish) people could still live relevantly normal lives. Israel on the other hand is destroying everybody and everything in Gaza. They don’t even have a chance to write a diary.

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        Around 250,000 Dutchmen died in WW2. A substantial part of that came from the hunger winter in 1944 when the German army took the Dutch harvest. Dutch cities were first bombed by the Germans and afterwards by the allies, and many were in complete ruins. I am saying this not to downplay what Israel does to Palestina, but the idea that most Dutch people lived relatively “normal” lives during WW2 is ridiculous.

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          I meant normal in wartime. It wasn’t just a slaughter like Israel is doing. People could still have jobs and do stuff.

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            Indeed. If with doing jobs you mean the forced labor camps that healthy men were forced into. I mean, you just don’t help the cause by downplaying the bad experiences of other countries.

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        Israel is doing terrible things, but it simply doesn’t compare to the atrocities of the Third Reich. Almost nothing does. It’s important we don’t downplay just how horrible the Nazi regime was.

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        As a new biography Dutch Girl: Audrey Hepburn and World War II, excerpted exclusively in this week’s PEOPLE, reveals, it was her experiences during Germany’s five-year occupation of Holland during World War II that truly shaped her.

        While more has come out in recent years about her war experience, Robert Matzen’s book reveals harrowing new details about how a young Hepburn battled severe malnutrition, particularly during what was known as the “Hunger Winter” of 1944-45.

        Leading up to that brutally cold winter, as Germany tightened its grip on Holland, Hepburn and her family were often forced to live in the cellar for days and weeks at a time due to bombing overhead. And food became more and more scarce.

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        “the muslims” Okay now let’s see what it would looks like if I change this word by an other one starting with a J.

        Wait…?! Why I’m getting Déjà vu…ಠ_ಠ

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    If you don’t know the legal definition of genocide or have enough information to make those logical arguments because of all the conflicting opinions from the media which are just there to confuse you—doesn’t it just feel wrong?

    Folks here already pointed out the pure logical explanation why this is genocide very skillfully. Thanks for those comments.

    Logically and in my gut this is wrong.

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    They won’t spare them if they kick out HAMAS. Right now, the terrorists are actually the lesser evil.

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      Israel government and israel people are two different things. Just like in any other country the majority of people are good and get brainwashed by the government.

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        My personal experience with hundreds of Israelis is that they are very mean spirited people. Who treat anyone that isn’t their blood like shit. I worked for Jewish families on the east coast. They were tied into the Italian mob and trafficked drugs and women like it was nothing. I have a very unique experience within the criminal world of the Jewish Mob. Just by working at a hotel they ran shit out of. I never forgot those moments.

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      The entire country is sick. The ones in power need to be held accountable and the population as a whole needs a “Denazification”. Something that will require generations of reeducation to undue the fascist ethnostate that has indoctrinated children from birth.

      Separating this Fascist state from Jewish identity is one of the most important things to do as well. One of the most antisemitic things being done today is when Israel commits genocide and pretends it is doing it for Jews. It is disgusting.

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        population as a whole needs a “Denazification”.

        This doesn’t really sound like a good preamble. How many people from israel do you know? Have you been there? I hope you are not assuming they are all evil because they are ruled by psychopaths like any other country in the world

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        Separating this Fascist state from Jewish identity is one of the most important things to do as well.

        It’s extremely disturbing how common it is to weaponize allegations of “antisemitism” against criticisms of Zionism. I would say it’s antisemitic to assume that all Jewish people support the actions of the state of Israel, but strangely, the ADL doesn’t seem to agrees.

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        Religion needs to be banned…globally. Humans must never again be allowed to be infected by memetic viruses, by ideas that are not scientifically supported.

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          I’m gonna give the unpopular take online and say that religion is not the source. Religion is only a tool that is often used negatively within class struggle. The source of Israel today is so much more ingrained in white supremacy, colonialism, and class conflict that I just can’t say that “banning” religion would be at all helpful.

          The religion and hope of the Palestine people is a core part of their resistance and their struggle. And while I’ll always be against fundamentalist interpretation of religion in the hands of the ruling class; I just think a focus on religion as being the ultimate problem is incorrect and unhelpful.

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          I don’t think banning is a good answer. My own preferred solution is mandatory religious education. Once you learn about all of the religions of the world the idea that any of them could possibly be correct about either the nature of reality or deciding what is right becomes clearly absurd.

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            Or you know, you realize the source of your beliefs is incomgruent, and you don’t really know what you believe in.

            You are supposed to have a clear set of guiding principles from a given all-knowing God, otherwise he is just cruel, and not worth worshipping.

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              A set of guiding principles from and all-knowing God is not what religion is. Maybe it’s what Abrahamic religions are, but there were religions before them and other religions even today.

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        At some point you are just going to have to be “antisemetic.” There needs to be a cultural shift around the world for allowing the criticism of jews before you can criticize Israel.

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          Allowing Zionist to redefine the word and just “becoming anti semitic” is a really bad take. Maybe I’m missing the intent of your comment. I’ll be good faith and assume you just wrote this badly.

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            By pure numbers it is mostly compromised of evangelical Christians. There are significantly more evangelical Christians that are Zionist than there are Jews.