• OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
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    1 month ago

    But aren’t our particular brand of them here on Lemmy straight-up “tankies” as well? As in they literally, not even merely figuratively, deny that anyone died in the Tiananmen Square massacre?

    Or rather than say that tankie is not accurate, do you mean that it is more inclusive?

      • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
        2·
        1 month ago

        I find this quite interesting.

        Are all tankies red fascists? If so, then isn’t it implied just by saying that? Or perhaps not bc maybe not everyone knows the former term while the latter spells it out explicitly…

        I have taken to calling them Alt-Left, bc of how they spew disinfo & misinfo and use identical argumentative forms as the Alt-Right - wanting to “win” at any cost, ignoring facts and logic and such in their pursuit of that goal.

        At a very naive guess, the word “fascism” may have a greater emotional impact upon Europeans, while Alt-Right might affect Americans more?

              • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
                3·
                1 month ago

                You may be interested in watching The Alt Right Playbook, by Innuendo Studios. I think the one that I am thinking of in particular is There’s Always A Bigger Fish.

                Some people, even poor ones, don’t vote because they think that they will be rich someday - but rather bc they believe that they should be poor, and that the rich should be rich. Possibly they were told this from a religious leader behind a pulpit somewhere, thereby bypassing the normal skeptical thought process (despite the teachings of their own religious texts such as “test EVERYTHING against what you KNOW to be true”, and “the worker deserves their wages”, etc.).

                As a side effect, The Alt Right Playbook will show you the identical tactics used by those on e.g. Hexbear and Lemmy.ml, despite how they are not “Right” but rather (ostensibly) “Left”.

                  • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
                    3·
                    1 month ago

                    I thought that ML was based in France for some reason, but I could be way off base so take with a huge grain of salt there.

                    And many people on Hexbear don’t seem to truly “believe” in anything at all, except they like dunking on people. They routinely lie to themselves as well as other site admins, and even piss off people on ML and Grad. Hexbear has even chased off their own developers who maintained their special code fork. It’s just been one long-running downward spiral from the start (much like the USA).

                    But ML, yeah, they look to me like true believers - just like MAGATS - each to their respective cause. And for both I say, if only they would read a book (or ten)!? The proof, for me, lies in the lack of self-honesty: “Rule 1” for instance says no such thing as what it continuously ends up being used for, and once you catch someone in one such lie, how then is one supposed to believe anything else that is said, especially in contradiction to our very own eyes? 👀

                    So they can say and do whatever they wish of course. And so too can I.