cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24992262
A positive score comment chastising an evil dictatorship for supporting a fascist gets removed.
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24992262
A positive score comment chastising an evil dictatorship for supporting a fascist gets removed.
True. Only a moron would wish for their own oppression 🙄 If they think authoritarianism’s so great then i’ll be glad to switch lives with them lol.
I think that they only think that it’s good because they imagine themselves as the high ranking official, and not as the peasant breaking their backs to feed their slavers.
I like these quotes from john steinbeck, i feel that it describes them a lot:
You may be interested in watching The Alt Right Playbook, by Innuendo Studios. I think the one that I am thinking of in particular is There’s Always A Bigger Fish.
Some people, even poor ones, don’t vote because they think that they will be rich someday - but rather bc they believe that they should be poor, and that the rich should be rich. Possibly they were told this from a religious leader behind a pulpit somewhere, thereby bypassing the normal skeptical thought process (despite the teachings of their own religious texts such as “test EVERYTHING against what you KNOW to be true”, and “the worker deserves their wages”, etc.).
As a side effect, The Alt Right Playbook will show you the identical tactics used by those on e.g. Hexbear and Lemmy.ml, despite how they are not “Right” but rather (ostensibly) “Left”.
Hits close to him tbh, many people around me think that. We are a religious country too as you described lmao.
Though i don’t think hexbear users are one of them/ml users are one of them, i think they speak too highly of themselves and are too snobby to think that low of themselves lol.
I did not know of the alt-right playbook, i’ll take a look at it, thank you.
I thought that ML was based in France for some reason, but I could be way off base so take with a huge grain of salt there.
And many people on Hexbear don’t seem to truly “believe” in anything at all, except they like dunking on people. They routinely lie to themselves as well as other site admins, and even piss off people on ML and Grad. Hexbear has even chased off their own developers who maintained their special code fork. It’s just been one long-running downward spiral from the start (
much like the USA).But ML, yeah, they look to me like true believers - just like MAGATS - each to their respective cause. And for both I say, if only they would read a book (or ten)!? The proof, for me, lies in the lack of self-honesty: “Rule 1” for instance says no such thing as what it continuously ends up being used for, and once you catch someone in one such lie, how then is one supposed to believe anything else that is said, especially in contradiction to our very own eyes? 👀
So they can say and do whatever they wish of course. And so too can I.
Oh? I didn’t know that. Where did that happen if you know?
I don’t know the details, just various comments that would obliquely reference the incident from presumably the more distant past, like this one: https://hexbear.net/post/1712067/4540345.
Their whole ideology is a stack of cards on top of a fragile lie. If the lie is called out it all comes crashing down.
MLs would think they’d actually be apart of the vanguard, not the enslaved. It’s hilarious, pathetic and sad at the same time. Everyone wants to be a king, but nobody wants to be a peasant, despite them being crucial for a king to exist in the first place. Makes sense, but by this logic we should be all equals, no vanguard, no dictator, no ruling class.
I mean… only if facts actually mattered, which they do not. At least not in terms of them forming their opinions.
And the same with MAGATS: studies show that literally different parts of the brain are engaged when espousing these political talking points. Which makes liberals then just as much in the wrong (and arguably far more so) bc KNOWING that… should allow a strategy to deal with those facts? But instead they would rather line their own pockets, then later act all surprised when they get called out for being so extremely “corrupt” - and then the for-profit media is a whole other matter entirely…
Btw for true leftist ideals, check out https://slrpnk.net/ and https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/. I personally try to stay out of that depth of political theory but that is my understanding of where to go if I wanted to get into it.:-) What I do know though is that unless people are willing to engage honestly with a topic - ANY topic - there is zero hope to move “forward” in it (except by haphazard random chance, which I’m not counting as “forward” at all). And therefore, all 4 of hexbear.net, lemmygrad.ml, lemmy.ml, and Midwest.social are ruled out, in my book (the latter purely due to their admin, while unlike the other Big Three, the vast majority of their members do not engage in trolling of the rest of the Fediverse).
As you say, “one rule for thee while another one for me” never plays well, past kindergarten. I was honestly shocked to see it from supposedly adults in lemmy.ml, although then again it’s easier for me to see their flaws from further away - and crucially, the same holds true in reverse as well.:-) Which I find to be a fantastic charge to do better, at least for myself. I don’t know what good that will do anyone anywhere, but at least my own conscience will be all the clearer for not engaging with a known lie.
I like those instances, since i myself agree with many-most of their points. tho db0 is federated with HB and grad. It can be annoying, but so is my instance anyway lmao. Fuck midwest too, seahorse is a PTB, maybe more than .ml…
Annoying political opponents? can’t relate, don’t have democracy B)
Yeah, it’s disappointing. I thought westerners who had full access to the internet would know better than to want a dictatorship or even a monarchy, but some people are just so stupid. Btw if you know any of them, offer them to switch places with me if they like it so much lol ;)
It’s much easier to talk to people who aren’t completely stupid, or just assholes (even if they are right). So you’re doing something right 👍
We all - well, the vast majority of us - thought similarly: somehow we would skip right past the Bell Riots and enjoy the Star Trek future immediately, with no effort and especially no responsibilities required on our part. Arguably we weren’t “stupid” so much as “naive”. Now, we know (a little bit) better.
Biden lied. Trump lied. Harris lied. These are the ones who ran for the USA President btw. Hence there were no “good” choices, only stupid ones. People are terrible at nuances though, especially when their choice of echo chamber leads their thinking. (And we are no exception: some of my posts along those lines are among the most downvoted that certain communities had ever had at that point, despite later actually happening irl, e.g. Biden needing to step down, we REALLY don’t seem to want the real, uncomfortable truths, even here on the Fediverse).
Which is why I don’t even mind a transition to authoritarianism - call me crazy, but in retrospect, democracy looks like it was always bound to have failed. (To be clear, I mean the USA brand, whereas the EU updated version remains unclear how well it can handle the transition from the information era to our current dis- and mis-info one.) People are going to cry about it, and also die from it - I am definitely among the former, and not entirely unlikely to be among the latter as well - but history will march on regardless of our personal feelings about the subject. The only choice we have is whether we choose to see it coming in advance, or have to deal with the fall-out after it happens.
Democracy required too much personal responsibility from people who simply did not have that to offer. Therefore when one set of oligarchs decided to check out and go to sleep for awhile, and a new set decided to rise up and take their places, we had next to no defenses to halt that transition. And no matter how much we wish we could, nobody can beat karma: we chose to remain vulnerable for centuries, and now we have paid the ultimate price and have given up our ability to control our futures anymore.
This is where ML and Grad and HB will say that the time for a violent upheaval of society followed by non-capitalist socialism to rise is upon us, and boy will they be surprised when just like Russia, China, and North Korea already are not “socialist”, nor will the USA become thus either, bc that is not a thing really that has ever existed (nor will it). Nor would they want it or be happy if it somehow did, and they actually had to work the fields to be truly equal. I get it - it’s rough to grow up, it truly is.
Authoritarianism is a hell of its own. Despite your flawed democracy in Saudi Arabia i would pay the ultimate price if the feds had eyes on my account, or the stuff i’ve written. I haven’t protested since it’s illegal, i haven’t ever broken a law ever, yet i could pay with my life.
The walls have eyes, at least that’s how i feel sometimes. I feel anxious thinking of my future, wondering if i’ll even be alive then.
Life here is truly isolating, it feels like i’m the weird one, due to me being much more “westernized” than my peers, and can’t have even platonic relationships with the opposite sex. That’s 50% of the population that i’m unable to talk to.
I get you all in America feel scared, but i wouldn’t wish for anyone to live like this. We practically have a caste system, too. Where “lower” races are enslaved (actual slavery, not hyperbole) and the workers’ rights here are brutal.
I’ve read orwell’s works and it really hits me deep, because i see many similarities in it. Perhaps not the ridiculousness of the animals or hate week etc, but more the fear that winston feels. He knew he was a dead man once he started writing against the party.
You can safely criticize your government, i’m putting my neck out here just writing this comment. Yet i’ve done it hundreds of times, it’s nice to know i’m not the only one alone, I’ve accepted my potential fate. If they want to, they can erase me any time they want. After all, who will oppose them?
Do know that i’m not trying to make your problems seem small, just explaining why authoritarianism is horrible. I really do hope you are safe in the US, or manage to leave.
Sorry for the rambling, lol