• Hegar@fedia.io
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    22 hours ago

    I think he does know how unpopular he is in europe and he’s just doing putin’s will by intentionally stoking division between the US and its major allies.

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      2 hours ago

      Frankly, the more Europe moves away from the US, the less influence the US has in Europe, hence the more likely it is for Europe to retain at least some of its relative prosperity for the many as the American Empire reaches its end of life and is replaced by another one.

      Most of the problems Europe has come from copying shit from the American Oligarchy and adopting US Legislation via things like international trade treaties and trade organisations (from ultra-long Copyright periods that completelly break the social contract of Copyright and supra-national Trade Tribunals to the Greed Is Good ideology and the replacement of traditional fairness by wealth-equalization Leftwing thinking with “let’s not talk about wealth” pseudo-Equality of Liberalism).

      Also, it’s well time that Europe stops being dependent on military power of the (still) greatest military power in the World not least because it only lasts as long as there is goodwill from the US side and that’s unlikely to survive the death throws of America as an Empire - just look at the decay of the last great Empire - Britain - during the late 19th and early 20th century to see how bad things can get for those dependent on its goodwill.

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      20 hours ago

      No. He’s trying to get right wing extremists into power, because they won’t stand in his way if he treats workers and nature as his property.

      He got reigned in by unions, environmental activists, agencies and society in general when he tried to ignore every law and regulation he could find at his Berlin gigafactory. That pissed him off big time and it’s not the only time it happened.

      He’s a petty little man with too much money.

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        It is quite a commonly repeating story of American companies moving to Europe and bringing American work practices, only for it all to fail miserably and them having to adopt European work practices or close shop.

        People in Europe are just not indoctrinated into the same view of what is “normal and how things are” as Americans so the levels of worker exploitation in America are seen as abusive and fought hard in Europe were Unions are still pretty strong.

        As far as I’ve seen the only places were American work practices manage slip through pretty much unchallenged is totally unspecialized work in whole new work domains in countries which have copied mechanism for insecure piece-work from the US, so for example things like meal delivery and Uber drivers, and even there we see many countries in Europe starting to crack-down on it, for example by forcing Uber to actually employ its drivers.

        Things have slid back in in Europe when it comes to worker rights and what people expect from the State in terms of taking care of the needs of Citizens, but nowhere as much as the US.

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        It’s insane to me that one of the richest people in the world, and still making more every second, cares so much about new ways to hurt people so he can continue to make even more.

        Because of this, I feel that it has more to do with gaining power over making money. He appears to be at the stage where he just wants to control everything and absolutely believes he is entitled to do so. At this point, it probably doesn’t even cost that much to do whatever he wants, so why not take it as far as everyone will let him.

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          It’s called elite projection. They believe that they personally not only know everything and are right all the time, they also want to force everyone to think like them. It’s the same mechanism as with stalinism.

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        they won’t stand in his way if he treats workers and nature as his property.

        Unfortunately it’s not just him. The reason Elon supports right wing populism in europe is so that him and all the other US oligarchs can buy out all the gains european people made as a result of mass movements and the threat of the spread of communism. Public health services, public transport services, environmental protections, consumer protections, paid holidays, disability pay… Anything that is worth anything will be sold off to the US oligarchs for pennies on the dollar while the top guys in AfD, NF, FdI, Reform UK etc. get their cut. Any and all safeguards standing against the looting will be removed and if any single country tries to resist, they will be drowned under the weight of tariffs.

        This is of course nothing new, US and European countries have done exactly this to countless countries on the global south throughout the 20th century. What’s new is the crosshairs of the big dog is now turned on europe.

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        20 hours ago

        stoking division

        get right wing extremists into power

        The two are certainly not mutually exclusive.

        But I don’t think elon going on about some BS is gonna do that much to embolden already surging russian-backed right wing groups in europe. I think eroding us-eu relations is likely to be the stronger impact.

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          17 hours ago

          Unfortunately, Twitter is still used by many media outlets and politicians as a gauge for public sentiment. Just by changing the narrative on there he can change the elite’s perception of reality.