In a surprising turn of events, Microsoft has reversed its decision to enforce the Trusted Platform Module (TPM) 2.0 requirement for installing Windows 11. This policy, recently defended just a week ago, sparked widespread frustration as millions of otherwise capable systems were arbitrarily deemed incompatible, leaving many users feeling alienated. This backpedaling showcases yet again […]
Windows user asking for help with Windows != Windows user complain about Windows overall.
The first case, ok: you’re being an asshole, answer to questions not made just because you want to feel clever.
Second case, well, we need to check the specific wording/complains. But generally speaking, if someone complain about train or how train make them sick, you may as well introduce them to the concept of airplane/bus/carsharing/teleport or whatever.
In Linux case, I’ll go with sort of reply: “give it a try with this live [reliable] Linux disrto, if like the experience, you may as well try dual booting”
As someone else said it really depends on what they’re actually asking for.
If they’re like “how do I make the screen turn off after an hour?” then telling them to switch to Linux is a bad response.
If they were like “I cant upgrade to windows 11, and I don’t even want to, and I don’t want to spend money. I just want a web browser and steam with security updates” then talking about Linux is a viable conversation path.
Yeah, most of the time when I get asked for windows help it’s with the subtext that windows is just a piece of shit OS that gets in the way of what they want to do more often than not, and it’s like, Linux at this point will handle 95% of what you want to do. As you said, Gaming, at least with newer and mainstream titles, and web browsing are easy money, word processing/spreadsheets are mostly covered with LibreOffice and the like. The GUI’s a little different but the fact that most distros have one is enough to convince a lot of people to switch.
The professional world might be stuck on Windows for a while just because it’s the norm and most businesses want plug-and-play, but there’s few reasons for personal computing to live in Windows anymore.
The problem is that Linux just isn’t usable for the largest home computing demographic.
Linux users can’t even agree on anything significant to make progress on the distros because they’d rather abandon it and try again in a new setting. It feels like a modpack of the month, year, etc, at this point. Unstable, filled with crashes and bugs, even fedora. Incomplete documentation with half defined terms and uses due to the constant splintering. It makes it worse to learn than whatever the fuck is Microsoft’s shit documentation.
I guess you too only see the trees. A solution is not to leave the forest but to bend the trees to your will. Wherever the forest is, instead of cowering before it. A shoddy tradesman blames his tools and all that.
The largest home computing demographic only needs a browser, that’s why a lot of people are OK with Chromebook or even tablets/phones. Definitely they don’t read documentation.
Not for you? OK, don’t use it. But don’t assume it’s not for other people, specially when they are having issues with the alternative.
The people who only use a browser are supposed to understand the obfuscation issues Linux has, something that even the fedora installer is renowned for struggling with?
I never said it wasn’t for them, the person pushing others to go to Linux because of an issue with windows was doing that.
I merely said that’s ignoring the direct issue and the underlying complications those pushing for Linux constantly ignore for new and beginner users. Folks should instead make with what they have, what they can.
It’s the equivalent to asking for help with a car issue and being told to buy a new car. Ignoring the learning curve, time, and setup. A bootable drive is a complicated thing to understand for the largest demographic.
Also notice how you said Chromebook or Android, however not any proper Linux distro because it sadly isn’t there for the hobby enthusiasts. Only a large organization was able to standardize and solve the main issues with Linux by completely neutering. The same way windows did before it, but at that point you’re arguing the lesser evil when the point of Linux is to be free of those evils.
The people who only use a browser are supposed to understand the obfuscation issues Linux has, something that even the fedora installer is renowned for struggling with?
What obfuscation issues? I don’t want to pick much on this because it’s probably a typo or mistranslation, but it’s very weird.
I merely said that’s ignoring the direct issue and the underlying complications those pushing for Linux constantly ignore for new and beginner users. Folks should instead make with what they have, what they can.
No, folks should make informed decisions. If somebody can move from windows to Mac or vice versa, they can use Mint.
It’s the equivalent to asking for help with a car issue and being told to buy a new car. Ignoring the learning curve, time, and setup. A bootable drive is a complicated thing to understand for the largest demographic.
No, buying a new car is the equivalent to what Microsoft is telling them (buy new PC) if they want to have an OS with security updates.
Also notice how you said Chromebook or Android, however not any proper Linux distro because it sadly isn’t there for the hobby enthusiasts
No, I told because those are mainstream. Stop projecting your opinions.
Linux has a lot of issues with information being hard to find. Not purposely or done with malice. Just an issue inherent when dealing with hundreds of distros, versions, and hardware variables alone are a bitch.
I love Linux btw, it just sadly isn’t there for my use case. It’s not the community, it’s just a slow and arduous transition. Just a good emp away from a reform lmao
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That’s the beauty of the internet friend. They have information, p2p, and hope. :)
However when you ask for help unscrewing a rounded Phillips, someone will tell you about the optimal screw to prevent it. It’s helpful, but most people are just trying to fix their shit and don’t design it.
Both CAN be true about the car example, that’s the beauty about information! We are well informed.
Please recommend me distros is what that means, I’d love to learn about them. Sadly everything I’ve tried is unstable or constantly deters me from doing anything right when I want it.
Microsoft is dog shit but it just works, that’s the benefit. The same benefit android has nowadays, which Google used to help make ChromeOS a smooth transition. I miss old android phones, trackball on android 4 was still a blast even with the 5 minute boot and overheating.
The problem is that Linux just isn’t usable for the largest home computing demographic.
Linux users can’t even agree on anything significant to make progress on the distros because they’d rather abandon it and try again in a new setting. It feels like a modpack of the month, year, etc, at this point. Unstable, filled with crashes and bugs, even fedora. Incomplete documentation with half defined terms and uses due to the constant splintering. It makes it worse to learn than whatever the fuck is Microsoft’s shit documentation.
I guess you too only see the trees. A solution is not to leave the forest but to bend the trees to your will. Wherever the forest is, instead of cowering before it. A shoddy tradesman blames his tools and all that.
Is this all AI generated? None of these arguments are valid nor true. So much so that I don’t see the point of refuting them because of Brandolini’s law: “The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.”
You still went out of your way to refute it (and formatted it with a pretty inline link) and claim it’s AI, then said the arguments are invalid without any real rhyme or reason.
Just to tout your little knowledge about a philosophical quandary, rather than have any form of credible or valuable input.
You’re right though, rust is being assimilated and easily facilitated in the transition by the file systems. There totally hasn’t been an ongoing fiasco just about this purely. Something that would greatly increase and benefit system stability without overhead.
Keep interjecting with your irrelevant and valueless input, your pompousness and others like that are the reason Linux isn’t more accessible by the general masses.
They’re downvoting you though, so that means they’re right and Linux is perfect and everything runs on it with no manual work needing to be done at all. We’re just idiots of course.
The community always says Google, but yet don’t understand that the issue is a language barrier.
From speaking, living, and understanding in this architecture. You lose all contextual understanding and with it the ability to word your problems.
The flatpacks have definitely revolutionized Linux for home usage, however the way they are hierarchie’d causes issues in my opinion. Fedora is getting there and I’m excited to try bazzite once the holidays are over.
I can’t wait for virtualization to be fully adapted for hardware. Directly reserving the hardware to certain uses would reduce the need for 4 PC’s in my use case.
I’m going to be honest here. If someone asks you for Windows help and you comment to tell them to use Linux, you’re an asshole, not clever.
If every year people ask for help because they’ve been weakened by a COVID infection, yet they refuse free vaccinations, then they are the assholes.
Stop defending tax-evading unethical monopolies who don’t give a crap about their users, only their profits. And stop defending lackadaisical people who have the potential to literally change the world by being part of a snowball that could eventually avalanche Microsoft’s monopoly away. Instigating change here could be so easy. For goodness’ sake we’re talking about a change of software, not sacrificing one’s life by taking a bullet or shooting one. Stand up for what you believe in. To hell with Windows. To hell with Microsoft.
The headline is incorrect Microsoft has not reversed the TPM requirements. Soon the advice from people who help those with PCs who don’t meet TPM requirements will be either to buy a new computer or move to linux.
I don’t like this answer anymore than you do. It’s an eco-waste nightmare.
(You can bypass TPM requirements but it could end up being a huge headache as Microsoft makes no guarantee that they won’t randomly break things.)
Thanks for apologizing, not enough people are considerate in regards to the plight of the compu-renters, or “shareware” as we are commonly known. As a token of my acknowledgement of your submission, I am currently taking a shit.
I’m going to be honest here. If someone asks you for Windows help and you comment to tell them to use Linux, you’re an asshole, not clever.
Windows user asking for help with Windows != Windows user complain about Windows overall.
The first case, ok: you’re being an asshole, answer to questions not made just because you want to feel clever.
Second case, well, we need to check the specific wording/complains. But generally speaking, if someone complain about train or how train make them sick, you may as well introduce them to the concept of airplane/bus/carsharing/teleport or whatever.
In Linux case, I’ll go with sort of reply: “give it a try with this live [reliable] Linux disrto, if like the experience, you may as well try dual booting”
As someone else said it really depends on what they’re actually asking for.
If they’re like “how do I make the screen turn off after an hour?” then telling them to switch to Linux is a bad response.
If they were like “I cant upgrade to windows 11, and I don’t even want to, and I don’t want to spend money. I just want a web browser and steam with security updates” then talking about Linux is a viable conversation path.
Yeah, most of the time when I get asked for windows help it’s with the subtext that windows is just a piece of shit OS that gets in the way of what they want to do more often than not, and it’s like, Linux at this point will handle 95% of what you want to do. As you said, Gaming, at least with newer and mainstream titles, and web browsing are easy money, word processing/spreadsheets are mostly covered with LibreOffice and the like. The GUI’s a little different but the fact that most distros have one is enough to convince a lot of people to switch.
The professional world might be stuck on Windows for a while just because it’s the norm and most businesses want plug-and-play, but there’s few reasons for personal computing to live in Windows anymore.
Some people can’t see the problem because of the trees.
If your problem is not with windows, but windows at it’s core… Then the solution is to move. You also have Mac if that makes you happy
The problem is that Linux just isn’t usable for the largest home computing demographic.
Linux users can’t even agree on anything significant to make progress on the distros because they’d rather abandon it and try again in a new setting. It feels like a modpack of the month, year, etc, at this point. Unstable, filled with crashes and bugs, even fedora. Incomplete documentation with half defined terms and uses due to the constant splintering. It makes it worse to learn than whatever the fuck is Microsoft’s shit documentation.
I guess you too only see the trees. A solution is not to leave the forest but to bend the trees to your will. Wherever the forest is, instead of cowering before it. A shoddy tradesman blames his tools and all that.
The largest home computing demographic only needs a browser, that’s why a lot of people are OK with Chromebook or even tablets/phones. Definitely they don’t read documentation.
Not for you? OK, don’t use it. But don’t assume it’s not for other people, specially when they are having issues with the alternative.
The people who only use a browser are supposed to understand the obfuscation issues Linux has, something that even the fedora installer is renowned for struggling with?
I never said it wasn’t for them, the person pushing others to go to Linux because of an issue with windows was doing that.
I merely said that’s ignoring the direct issue and the underlying complications those pushing for Linux constantly ignore for new and beginner users. Folks should instead make with what they have, what they can.
It’s the equivalent to asking for help with a car issue and being told to buy a new car. Ignoring the learning curve, time, and setup. A bootable drive is a complicated thing to understand for the largest demographic.
Also notice how you said Chromebook or Android, however not any proper Linux distro because it sadly isn’t there for the hobby enthusiasts. Only a large organization was able to standardize and solve the main issues with Linux by completely neutering. The same way windows did before it, but at that point you’re arguing the lesser evil when the point of Linux is to be free of those evils.
What obfuscation issues? I don’t want to pick much on this because it’s probably a typo or mistranslation, but it’s very weird.
No, folks should make informed decisions. If somebody can move from windows to Mac or vice versa, they can use Mint.
No, buying a new car is the equivalent to what Microsoft is telling them (buy new PC) if they want to have an OS with security updates.
No, I told because those are mainstream. Stop projecting your opinions.
Let’s agree to disagree.
Edit: removed non productive bits
Linux has a lot of issues with information being hard to find. Not purposely or done with malice. Just an issue inherent when dealing with hundreds of distros, versions, and hardware variables alone are a bitch.
I love Linux btw, it just sadly isn’t there for my use case. It’s not the community, it’s just a slow and arduous transition. Just a good emp away from a reform lmao
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That’s the beauty of the internet friend. They have information, p2p, and hope. :)
However when you ask for help unscrewing a rounded Phillips, someone will tell you about the optimal screw to prevent it. It’s helpful, but most people are just trying to fix their shit and don’t design it.
Both CAN be true about the car example, that’s the beauty about information! We are well informed.
Please recommend me distros is what that means, I’d love to learn about them. Sadly everything I’ve tried is unstable or constantly deters me from doing anything right when I want it.
Microsoft is dog shit but it just works, that’s the benefit. The same benefit android has nowadays, which Google used to help make ChromeOS a smooth transition. I miss old android phones, trackball on android 4 was still a blast even with the 5 minute boot and overheating.
Is this all AI generated? None of these arguments are valid nor true. So much so that I don’t see the point of refuting them because of Brandolini’s law: “The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.”
You still went out of your way to refute it (and formatted it with a pretty inline link) and claim it’s AI, then said the arguments are invalid without any real rhyme or reason.
Just to tout your little knowledge about a philosophical quandary, rather than have any form of credible or valuable input.
You’re right though, rust is being assimilated and easily facilitated in the transition by the file systems. There totally hasn’t been an ongoing fiasco just about this purely. Something that would greatly increase and benefit system stability without overhead.
Keep interjecting with your irrelevant and valueless input, your pompousness and others like that are the reason Linux isn’t more accessible by the general masses.
They’re downvoting you though, so that means they’re right and Linux is perfect and everything runs on it with no manual work needing to be done at all. We’re just idiots of course.
The community always says Google, but yet don’t understand that the issue is a language barrier.
From speaking, living, and understanding in this architecture. You lose all contextual understanding and with it the ability to word your problems.
The flatpacks have definitely revolutionized Linux for home usage, however the way they are hierarchie’d causes issues in my opinion. Fedora is getting there and I’m excited to try bazzite once the holidays are over.
I can’t wait for virtualization to be fully adapted for hardware. Directly reserving the hardware to certain uses would reduce the need for 4 PC’s in my use case.
If every year people ask for help because they’ve been weakened by a COVID infection, yet they refuse free vaccinations, then they are the assholes.
Stop defending tax-evading unethical monopolies who don’t give a crap about their users, only their profits. And stop defending lackadaisical people who have the potential to literally change the world by being part of a snowball that could eventually avalanche Microsoft’s monopoly away. Instigating change here could be so easy. For goodness’ sake we’re talking about a change of software, not sacrificing one’s life by taking a bullet or shooting one. Stand up for what you believe in. To hell with Windows. To hell with Microsoft.
I would say that depends on why they are asking for help, you have got to get to the root of the issue first.
The headline is incorrect Microsoft has not reversed the TPM requirements. Soon the advice from people who help those with PCs who don’t meet TPM requirements will be either to buy a new computer or move to linux.
I don’t like this answer anymore than you do. It’s an eco-waste nightmare.
(You can bypass TPM requirements but it could end up being a huge headache as Microsoft makes no guarantee that they won’t randomly break things.)
What if I tell them to use Haiku?
Mhh your opinion is wrong, probably because you are running Windows. I would suggest switching to a Linux based system.
“There’s no elephant in this room.”
Windows is the problem. There’s the elephant. Your choice.
If not, I guess just keep waiting it out. I’m sure it will get better any day now.
Just like using gas cars is your choice when you coulda been using something open source like rickshaws
I’m sorry, I should’ve considered your situation.
I wasn’t aware you lacked the ability to use your computer. How inconsiderate. I was under the impression you weren’t renting it.
Thanks for apologizing, not enough people are considerate in regards to the plight of the compu-renters, or “shareware” as we are commonly known. As a token of my acknowledgement of your submission, I am currently taking a shit.
Or an EV
Or an electric rickshaw!
Probably a great vehicle. Lightweight, good range, etc
Just strap a rickshaw to 2 electric bikes taped together…job done! 👍
I’m not the one seeking help here, just calling out poor behavior. You’re helping no one with this constantly being posted.
If they’re still using Windows, they aren’t following the guide very well.
Fuckin up at step 1 doesn’t inspire confidence from me