• nothingcorporateOP
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    As The Intercept pointed out this week, this is Israel’s 9/11 in that it is a horrific event they didn’t see coming, but when you stop to look at the powder keg they created, they absolutely should have.

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      And just like 9/11, they were warned of the attack weeks in advance but were still woefully unprepared to protect their citizens.

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        I’m worried that they DID know, and are using this as an excuse to further their agenda against Palestinians.

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              Well, it really did work in the US. This is literally what happened at Pearl Harbor.

              Roosevelt knew the attack was coming, very much so, our intelligence was good. But he needed the attack to happen, so he let it happen.

              At the time, Europe was at war and our allies desperately needed help, but the US had been dragging it’s heels about getting involved for years. Roosevelt wanted to enter the war and support our allies, but congress just didn’t want to make the official declaration of war. But after the attack on Pearl harbor, that declaration came in short order, just as Roosevelt knew it would.

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                This is untrue. This is a false conspiracy theory that people keep repeating that has no facts to back it up. This one bugs me because my grandfather was in the merchant Marines and was stationed there when this happened. People parroting that untrue fact drove him bonkers.

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                  This is untrue

                  Which part?

                  Did the people stationed there get warned? Did merchant Marines have access to top brass intelligence reports? Did Roosevelt have a different motivation? Did Pearl Harbor not happen…?

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          What was the prior situation with the reservists? Did they backtrack on their no show threats before the war broke or was the war what forced them to show up

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        It’s not that easy. There is constant information coming in all the time and intelligent agents need to parse signal from noise. It’s not every single bit of intelligence regarding an attack comes into fruition. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. This is an extremely difficult signal detection problem, one with lives at stake.

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      when you stop to look at the powder keg they created

      Wait until you expand it by a few more years:

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      The bigger problem is that they probably knew. They where informed by Egypt intelligence…

      If that is true, then they might have let it happen as an excuse to take Gaza in retribution

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          US Congressional members with security clearances corroborated this, did they not?

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            They didn’t corroborate that Israel let this happen as justification to level Gaza. That’s the conspiracy theory the user above is urging not to spread.

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              Fair point. Though to me it’s of little relevance; for either they were grossly incompetent or they let it happen intentionally.

              Given the historical evidence behind the Shock Doctrine, I’m convinced that is what’s playing out here.

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        So, Israel’s 9/11 then? It wasn’t a coincidence that NORAD was on training exercises that day.

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      US stated they provided Israel with Egyptian intellegance on this attack… Israel knew lol

      But ya it is like 911, no doubt and Israel will conduct reprisals and west will says it fine because “beheaded babies”