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    This doesn’t have to be controversial, just read the confederate state’s declarations of succession. The cause of the civil war isn’t open for interpretation. They people who succeeded litterally wrote down and formally publicized their reasons.

    none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization

    https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

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      Don’t forget the part where if you joined the Confederacy you signed:

      "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in Negro slaves shall be passed.”

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    It was always about bringing slavery back.

    Ever since we shed blood to end it, they’ve been trying to bring it back.

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    This is just a continuation of the current indoctrination system. For example, they don’t teach about the founding slavers either. Everything is a whitewash.

    A culture that is founded on racist delusions and fantasies is not capable of teaching accurate history.

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    In his 6min 1A speech the week after winning he’s going off about censorship and social media moderation. He asked Republican legislators to send retain your records letters to the universities in their states. He then said he was going to pull funding from all universities guilty of censorship/moderation not just going forward, but in the past as well.

    He had a bit about never using the “labels” misinformation and disinformation going forward. It’s unclear if that piece is included in that threat to universities.

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    They barely teach about it as it is. My daughter’s social studies textbook had page after page about Marbury v. Madison and two paragraphs about Harriet Tumbman.

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      Harriet Tubman was a great hero, but she did not shape society. Marbury v. Madison established judicial review, which allows the SC to strike down laws as unconstitutional. That’s massive. Brown v. Board of Education or Roe v. Wade rely on that.

      Judicial review has been adopted by republics around the world (though not all). Writing as a European, I believe it’s a greatly underappreciated US contribution to global culture and the cause of democracy and human rights.

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        Marbury v. Madison established judicial review, which allows the SC to strike down laws as unconstitutional.

        That is literally all a 14-year-old needs to know about it.

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          At 14 a “normal” kid is in 9th grade, correct? As in they didn’t start early, skip a grade, start behind, or get held back. At 9th grade, we should be preparing our kids for higher education. They need at least a paragraph so that the more curious kids take a further look into things.

          I agree that Harriet Tubman and the UR deserve more attention than Indiana history books teach, I went to HS at MCHS in Madison, IN. And, boy howdy did they whitewash history back in the '90s.

          At least we have what’s left of the Internet now so that you can supplement poor teaching materials.

          As a Music Ed major, which is Education with extra classes tacked on, I would be interested to hear what GB history books are like once you guys get over there.

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            What more than that do most people need to know about Marbury v. Madison? What is the significance or relevance to day of the debates over it and the events leading up to it? Because I don’t think that is anywhere near as important as the emphasis you place on it.

            Knowing that judicial review is a thing and that SCOTUS can do it and why they have that power should be enough for most people.

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              Marbury v. Madison established judicial review, which allows the SC to strike down laws as unconstitutional.

              That only gives the what and how of the situation, not the why. Some explanation of why they were given that power is useful for the average citizen

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                Some explanation is not a dozen long online textbook pages. Especially when women as a whole in the 19th century rated four short pages.

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      Recently watched a drunk history episode about spies, one of the segments featured Harriet Tubman. Absolutely worth a watch, you can find it on YouTube free.

      Did you know she was Americas first female military leader? I didn’t till I saw that! And I got a half decent education where they didn’t gloss over slavery (helps I grew up in NY).

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      Not in the way the repugs want it. Slavery will never be seen as beneficial to anyone despite how hard the repugs push that narrative

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        Chattel slavery in the US was absolutely enormously beneficial to a tiny sliver of uppercrust slaveholding assholes who got rich on the backs of their exploited human “property”. Fuck yes it was beneficial to these assholes. There’s an argument to be made that this is a big part of the reason why chattel slavery in the US lasted as long as it did – because it made (some people) a lot of money either directly by owning a plantation or indirectly by buying the cheap textiles and other good that came from those plantations

        Why the fuck am I even bothering writing this to some rando on the internet

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          I’ve heard it said that chattel slavery was more expensive than it would’ve been to just pay people poverty wages and let them fend for their own food and shelter. Dunno if it’s true or not. I imagine it also damages the mental health of the slave owners, and society as a whole.

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        What are you talking about? The world sees the USA’s exploitation of slaves as being HUGELY beneficial to their development. That’s not anyone’s problem with it?

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            Yeah, we should stop shoving history in kids’ faces at school!

            Also, stop shoving the English language, science and math in their faces!

            If they aren’t learning how to mine ore, what is even the point of school, am I right?

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                Weird how everyone here seemed to think otherwise.

                Also weird how you deleted the comment if that’s not what you meant.

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                  It’s called mob mentality, and is well known. And I don’t want to keep pointlessly dealing with judgy people who seek not to understand but only to damn, but sure I deleted it because I was so super racist and against education that I couldn’t help myself but I am also so cowardly that once people push back against my horrible views I cave immediately.

                  Excellent logic.

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            Seems like a non sequitur given the context was someone trying to deny that the USA benefited from slavery. If that is not the time, then when the fuck is?? Excuse my snark.

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              What a bizarre accusation to make. Lemmy is absolutely shit if this is what happens here. Next time just say you don’t understand and only want to judge. Jesus Christ, dude.

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          OK anyone that matters. Want to believe slavery is a good thing at alll? You don’t matter

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            You’re missing the point. Some modern Americans continue to benefit from historical slavery. Saying, “No one benefits from slavery,” is an attempt to deny that and avoid the moral responsibility that comes with those benefits.

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              The point is you are justifying slavery. You can scream its “virtues” all you want. Until that mindset disappears, and even if it disappears, I’m not changing my stance on it.

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                I’m not. I condemn slavery. Like holy shit, can you not assume that much?

                The problem with slavery isn’t that slavers don’t benefit! How can you sit there and say that slavers don’t benefit from the transaction? Why, then, would they do it?? Just to be dicks??

                You’re taking an ideological stance that you don’t fully understand and not considering what you are actually saying. The fact that people benefit from it doesn’t JUSTIFY it. Nothing can justify treating an intelligent creature as property. But that doesn’t mean someone didn’t make bank from it. That doesn’t mean that people alive today are not still benefiting from the tragedies of the past.

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    Why? The repugs have been nothing but a constant clown show for the last 20 years. Its only going to get more ludicrously insane now that there are more of them on the rolls

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      This is business as usual, I was told, nothing would change, us shitlibs were just scaremongering about Trump.

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          Don’t see the left making political ads talking about the blood of the country. We all know who they’re talking about when they mention pure blood.

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          Damn, they are so good hiding that they actually enqct policies to counteract their own racism and sexism.

          Clearly they must be worse, because they want to take abortion rights away by granting them to women.

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    Those of you with some knowledge and basic video capabilities might consider doubling down on youtube, and using your channel to pimp other video platforms like peertube in case of youtube censorship.

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      in case of youtube censorship.

      Every corp will bend the knee, advertisers flocking back to twitter like some Mafia deal. Google is already facing antitrust laws so I’m sure they’re willing to do what they can to get out of the shitter. Be mirroring your content regardless. And this goes further to services like Google photos, storage is relatively cheap.