I hope Smith made arrangements to hide all the documents related to the case. It’s shame the US voters have thrown justice out of 6th floor window.
Alternatively, he could find a judge willing to publish every single one, unredacted.
If he has access to unredacted docs he can do it himself
A judge has a better chance of doing that and being somewhat protected from the wrath of Trump’s vindictive government.
Do they tho
I hear that storing sensitive government documents in bathrooms is totally cool and not prosecutable. So he could just do that.
Yup.
You can kiss Trump ever seeing consequences for his crimes goodbye.
Welcome to the new America.
Elections have consequences and Americans are simply too stupid to maintain a democracy. So we won’t have one much longer.
Trump didn’t see any consequences in the old America either.
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A couple of people gave it a shot.
Relevant username is relevant.
Not happening at all, but the only hope for accountability is a massive blue wave in 2026 followed by an immediate impeachment. Even then that’s just early retirement.
We are well and truly fucked.
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Yeah that’s it, the third impeachment will definitely do it!
but the only hope for accountability is a massive blue wave in 2026
So there is no hope.
Elections did have consequences. Going forward? Not likely
I don’t think that’s it. Citizens of the USA don’t care about Trump’s felonies at all, that does not affect anyone’s day to day life (except Trump). USA citizens are looking at bills and expenses that didn’t get better with Biden, and Harris was essentially the same candidate. The hope is maybe Trump will try something different to help.
Biden and Harris did their utmost to dig America out of Trump’s first term and the international shit pile of COVID. They were blocked at every turn by retardicans who didn’t want them to accomplish anything, even right-wing agenda items like border control, because that might make even idiots like you take notice. Good luck with those lower bills though lol. Chump.
trRump isn’t going to help anyone but himself.
I agree with that. Here’s to hoping everything I thought I new about economics and government social programs was wrong.
Yes, a majority of US citizens are dumb. The average American experienced 3 years of retaliatory price gouging that was mislabeled as “inflation.”
Why was there retaliatory price gouging? Punishment for not voting in Trump in 2020. Big business wants more de-regulation; so the next time the vote doesn’t go in their favor they can do it again.
What enables them to do it again? Republican policy.
We’re in a vicious cycle of stupid now, which again, was by design.
Yep. Retaliation against Americans and trying to get donvict reinstalled was a likely goal of the price-gouging.
I don’t think the average citizen of the USA is dumb. People looked at what Biden did for the last few years and that didn’t help them. The Harris campaign would have done better if they had taken more stances that were different from Biden. (I can say this confidently now that I know the results of the election, I wouldn’t have said it a month ago.)
I also don’t think there has been “retaliatory price gouging” as you say. The cost of production and distribution is always increasing, it’s why there is inflation. I don’t think you can find any actual evidence of price gouging because of Biden.
People looked at what Biden did for the last few years and that didn’t help them.
This is dumb. Thinking economic policy has immediate effects is dumb. Trump’s good economy was largely a result of Obama’s economic policy. The inflation during the Biden years was a result of Trump’s economic policy and COVID. It takes years to dig out of that hole. Everyone knew (or maybe not, people are dumb) that COVID stimulus was going to be inflationary; it was just a gamble that it would be less painful than a more 2008 style financial crisis. The whole world was experiencing inflation and Trump’s tax reform did not help the situation. Thinking tariffs will help fix the economy when the number one complaint is high prices is dumb.
Dumb US citizens believe that tariffs will lower prices, and that presidents can control prices.
As far as “evidence of price gouging” is concerned, I’m really not interested in this debate. The election is over so any evidence at this point is moot.
If you’re genuinely curious and aren’t convinced that a majority of US voters are dumb AF, read this, I’m sure they didn’t:
tArIfFs mEaN ChInA HaS To pAy mE To bUy tHeIr cRaP
Yep, this. Meanwhile people keep telling Democrats they didn’t properly cradle their nuts, even as the Democrats did try to do something for everyday Americans.
Where to even start with this level of disconnect?
!remindme in 1 year when the effects of mass deporting low income agriculture workers and slapping tariffs across the board kick in and people are hurting even worse. our big beefy boy will have done dick about it and people will revert back to hating him yet again.
the average American voter doesn’t have the attention span to even remember covid or how Trump botched the response and helped kill a million Americans, much less the awareness to understand how badly the pandemic broke supply chains and thus the global economy, nor how the Biden admin still helped us fare better than the rest of the developed world in recovering from it.
not that that’s the voters’ fault. Dems did absolutely fuck all to raise awareness of that for the every man. instead, they barked at people saying the economy has recovered to all time highs (for CEOs), ignoring the actual plight of the working class.
I still don’t understand why Kamela didn’t run ads reminding people of how badly Trump fucked up Covid
they were too busy courting “moderates” by sprinting to the right and capitulating to Republicans’ framing of the issues, a tried and true losing strategy
And now they’re saying that Democrats were “Too leftist and too woke”, but they did this shit. Gimme a break, it’s a “Heads I win, Tails you lose” designed to make the Dems go further right
If by too leftist and too woke, they are saying that Democrats need to hit the identity politics a bit less, this is understandable.
Old school leftists have been saying this for a while. We need to protect at-risk groups, of course. But we cannot abandon the populism and we need to stop ignoring the class warfare (being conducted on the poor and middle class). It really is the economy.
If anyone is saying they were too leftist, as in the way it used to mean, there is no way the campaign went “too leftist”.
Are you referring specifically to this cycle, or Democrats in the past in a more general sense?
I don’t recall ever having heard Kamala bring up her race or gender. When asked about it directly in an interview, she said it’s no secret she’s a woman of color but never really followed up on it.
I do remember her talking a lot about her experience growing up in a middle class family or becoming a prosecutor, but does that really count as identity politics?
I agree, I don’t think Trump’s economic plans will be for people’s benefits. If he actually cuts the programs he has said he would it should reduce federal spending and then federal income tax. But I am of the opinion that the amount I would get back in tax savings does not outweigh the benefit of making sure myself and other citizens have access to these programs. But maybe I’m wrong.
I believe you can trust your intuition on this one. Assuming he is successful in doing what he promises (which, with Trump, you can never trust anything he says but always have to assume the worst), erasing a century’s worth of progress in the administrative state will have disastrous consequences for the most vulnerable members of society who rely on entitlement programs to make ends meet during these late stages of neoliberalism (as one example, but there are others, like the FDA and EPA). but all these cuts will take a few points off the bottom line for the ultra rich, so let the apologists and propagandists sing about how great it will be when that all trickles down (it never does).
I’m thinking donvict will have the long-term effect of reversing the decades-long downward trend of crime.
Why?
- We have the opportunity to remove more lead from our pipes, thus less lead getting into our bloodstreams. Less lead == less crime. Donvict will likely reverse that.
- Restricting/eliminating access to abortion - well, the future of that practically writes itself.
- Cutting social spending - what is going to be the natural outcome of that?
It’s almost like the qons don’t really care about America at all. Seemingly, it’s designed for rich broligarchs to stay ensconced in their compounds and gated communities, make more money and throw everyone else to the wolves. They clearly don’t give a rat’s ass about the people that live in this country that are not billionaires.
This is exactly it. A lot of people are struggling. They see less jobs, less pay, meanwhile the rich get richer. They see a system that benefits everybody except them. So Trump comes along and says he’s going to fuck up the system. That sounds pretty good. And if he can make a decent excuse that he’s been fucked by the system too, people are willing to overlook a lot.
Plus, let’s not forget Harris had very little real message. Obama had a message- hope, change, yes we can. Hillary was as status quo as you can get, and people wants to reform. Kamala’s message was basically ‘I’m not Trump’ but unfortunately that’s not good enough to get you elected. Especially not when, before Biden dropped out and she got anointed, she was polling in the single digits.
I’m just a foreigner who is very interested in global politics and from what I saw, Harris did have a real message, with policies to boot. Such has first home owners grant, small business grant and the goal of increasing the size of the middle class, which means giving more opportunities to lower class.
Trump on the other hand was ranting incoherently and when he was coherent, sent a message that he was going to take people’s rights away.
I don’t understand how Harris needed to be clearer when it was as clear as night and day that she was the best choice economically and would provide a more stable future. In my opinion, it wasn’t Harris’ fault she lost. She ran a decent campaign. It’s just that America is more than not racist, sexist and uneducated.
Disclaimer: I’m not saying US is any worse or better. Heck, Australia voted no to indigenous recognition in our constitution while the US actually has support for their indigenous communities. We’re racist, dumb and sexist AF too. This is just an example of how powerful misinformation can be.
Harris had some policies, but not a real underlying message. She could have made a message like ‘bring back the American dream’ and that might have gotten her a win. Obama’s message was ‘yes we can’. Trump’s message is ‘make America great again’. You need a theme message like that, if you only talk positions you get lost in the noise of our shitty media.
“We’re not going back” was her message according to that philosophy.
If she was actually using that message, which I never heard, no wonder she lost. People don’t want the absence of something, they want radical change. They want a country that works for the middle class rather than just for the 1%. That’s why Obama’s message resonated. And that’s why Trump’s message resonates. He at least acknowledges that shit’s broken and he promises to fix it. He may be the wrong person to fix it and he may have no interest in fixing it, but his message at least acknowledges that there is a serious problem.
I don’t know what to tell you dude. I’m just a foreigner and I heard that message over and over. It was as clear as day for me.
However, message or no, the US have put a convicted felon in charge of the country. I’m gobsmacked by that.
The USA does have racist and sexist people but I don’t think that was a driving factor in this election. The news certainly favors portraying the opinions of the more outspoken “crazy” people because that gets views. I think a lot of people in the USA are fine with gay and trans rights. The real issue is increasing costs, people care less about minority rights than being able to feed their own family. I do think Harris’s tax and economic plans made more sense and I wanted her to try to make them a reality, but I think a lot of people here viewed these as the promises Biden made and couldn’t follow thru on. Cancelling student debt was a huge thing Biden tried to do but ultimately couldn’t.
Wasn’t the student debt thing knocked back during the political process by the opposition? I wouldn’t say it’s Biden’s fault for not being able to pass that one through.
Ah yes, the ol’, “the Democrats didn’t deliver on it so I’ll vote (or not vote at all, leading to a favorable situation) for the people who blocked it every step of the way”, strategy. Galaxy brain tier tactics.
People want change. It’s like they’re fixing a car and the correct tool isn’t doing the job. So they break out a hammer to at least get the bolt moving. Yeah, it’s gonna fuck other things up but it will at least do something.
That is a profoundly stupid idea.
But why?
Make the fascist fire you.
- Because his job will now never be completed
- Because this also slightly diminishes the possibility that he’ll be politically prosecuted by the incoming admin - though to be clear, I fully expect the Trump DoJ to make Smith’s life a living hell, and to throw him in jail if they can, and perhaps even execute him if they can figure out how to kangaroo court things to that degree. That is not a joke. This is an entirely serious comment.
Why have a trial? SCOTUS already ruled President Trump is a king and can kill anyone so long as it’s an official act.
We are entering the beginning stages of fascism people. Hold onto your butts.
Google is already testing the Lügenpresse filter.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/13/24295463/google-eu-test-news-outlets-removing-results
I understand the sentiment, but it will never happen. Killing “Whites”, especially whites named “Jack Smith” is bad for optics. Now Letitia James and Fani Willis is another story entirely. If I was either one of them I’d be getting my ass on a plane to someplace with a non-extradition treaty post haste.
Nazis make new in-groups and out-groups all the time. Loyalty way overshadows race in this case.
What if they call him gay and plant cp on his PC?
It would be trivially easy to convince Trump voters that he deserves execution…
Actual reasons from an actual lawyer here https://youtu.be/wFEo9YJjGA0
Tldr; Every other possibility ends in dismissal with prejudice. Dropping it leaves it potentially reviewable in 4 years. It’s still highly unlikely anything happens.
It will be posthumous at best. That orange leather lump ain’t lasting four years, even if he did plan to step down at the end of it.
Came here to post this. Legal Eagle breaks it down proper here.
Thanks for this.
Because the cause for his appointment no longer exists. The OLC memo regarding the prosecution of sitting Presidents means that Smith’s appointment is frustrated at its most basic level of inception.
The Fascists will fire people with firing squads, there’s no shame in an act of self preservation when resigning from a job you can’t do might keep you alive.
just wait till Jack see’s all the new crimes trump is gonna commit, he’ll be back in business in a few years
Dog… just stop with the copium. It’s embarrassing. Trump will never answer for his crimes, period. This should be abundantly clear after 8 years of flopped motions against him.
No Mueller report, no special council, no hush money case… is ever going to stop this guy.
Give up on the idea of justice against this dude and start preparing for his dictatorship.
Teflon donvict.
“Won’t somebody [redacted] of this [redacted] p[olitician]?” unfortunately seems like our only escape hatch. I wish the two time travelers had better success in their missions. I am not confident the future resistance has enough resources to send a third, but one can hope.
Trump is and always has been, immune to consequneces
The Supreme Court already rules that not only is Trump all but immune from prosecution, but that he can’t even be investigated or questioned over it.
So if Trump were to make a phone call and say “Yes, we’re going to sign this into law, and schedule a meeting about that other thing. Oh, and have Tom Hanks killed in a hail of bullets, kthxbye.”, the fact that he ordered Tom Hanks killed might be prosecutable. The problem is that even if they know he ordered Tom Hanks killed, they legally can’t even ask him about it because it happened during an official phone call.
Trump could go on a crime spree that would make the Mafia legitimately look like choir boys, and Jack Smith…well, Jack Smith isn’t going to be able to do Jack about it.
January 20, 2025 isn’t a swearing in ceremony. It’s a coronation.
yep, I hate it but at least it’s starting to sink in. come jan. we are in a functional trump dictatorship. there are no checks and balances left, the court assured so and with the legislative branch under his control, the single, only hope we have is that he’s too hilariously inept to be effective.
And this didn’t even require a violent takeover like he thought was necessary last time. He was a far worse candidate this time and so much of the American public was eager to throw the power back into his hands, while a sizable chunk did not seem to think it was important enough to go vote against him.
Right. And can buy the scorpion and the frog argument the first time around but this time there was NO ambiguity.
No ambiguity for anybody who cared enough to pay attention anyway!
It’s like the scorpion only stings while the frog is sleeping, and every morning the scorpion complains about how those damn hornets wearing DNC and BLM shirts came back and stung the frog that the scorpion loves so much. And despite the stings not even looking like hornets did it, the frog is unaware of the concept of confirmation bias and likes what he’s hearing so he just goes with it.
I’m always a fan of torturing a metaphor so yeah, exactly :)
It’s been going on for ages but at this point I don’t really blame the scorpion anymore. I certainly don’t blame the hornets wearing t-shirts, I mean, I don’t like them and I will try to exterminate them but not by trying to starve them out with scorpion overpopulation.
Because he’s a nazi supporter, and was ineffective on purpose.
Leave it up to moderate liberals to roll over and die. Way to signal his kingship guys, fucking top notch pick, that Merrick Galand. To think this ineffective dipshit was considered for SCOTUS. Literally a direct historical correlation to the rise of Hitler through ineffective and complacent liberalism from the socialist party. I guess when you construct a DOJ that doesn’t prosecute billionaires the whole thing short circuits when the tyrant is one… who could have predicted that except every leftist and historian?
I’d quit too. America was too stupid to not vote trump in again, so why the hell martyr yourself for half a country of clowns when it gains you nothing?
Guess this election really was the nail in the coffin for me regarding how people were so blind and meek regarding Hitler’s rise to power. Guess anyone that’s not a leftist really does just let it happen, and the left is turned ineffective due to being labeled too extreme
History will think of today’s USA the same way we thought about nazi Germany: wondering why nobody just put a bullet through Hitler’s skull
We have a socialist party?
The Republicans sure think so lmao
“COMMUNIST MARXIST FASCISTS” are our preferred pronouns according to Shitler.
No, and neither did Germany.
Maybe I’m not getting something here, but why do you think Germany didn’t have a socialist party?
Because at the time of the Nazi takeover, the party with that name was wholly operating as a rubber stamp to the most extremist right wing elements taking hold of their party. “The Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea” is similarly nondescriptive as “German Worker’s Party” later purposely misleadingly named to “National Socialist German Workers’ Party” after Hitlers rise.
Ah I see. Yes, no doubt the NSDAP wasn’t socialist but that doesn’t mean Germany didn’t have socialist parties back then. E.g. the social democrats were still marxist, iirc.
As an aside it is very saddening that people really think the nazis were leftists because of the name. That’s just a level of stupidity I can’t fathom to comprehend.
As an aside it is very saddening that people really think the nazis were leftists because of the name.
Republicans have spent a lot of time and money spreading that propaganda. Which is interesting, because today’s Nazis, just like the OG Nazis, cannot WAIT to start killing anyone that is or might be a “Communist”. But somehow Nazis are Communists/leftists.
No one ever accused magaforbrains of being smart.
They weren’t calling Nazis “socialist,” they were clearly referring to actual socialists in Weimar Germany.
I believe they were referring to the German Social Democratic Party, which was in power for a time during the Weimar Republic.
There are rules for us, not them.
I think you should leave
Lol you said the name of the superb show this clip is from but got down voted by people who got whooshed
I knew it would happen :P show isn’t well known enough.
I’ll give ya an upvote, shirt brother.
It’s too late for me, I’m awake now. Edit:I really wish there were discord esque emoji responses instead of just upvote downvote lol
The Darkest Brandon move would be to remove the DOJ policy on not investigating sitting Presidents. Many of these cases were clearly not under Presidential Immunity, and some weren’t even done while Trump was President. That should have consequences regardless of getting the job back or not.
Darkest Brandon should have Trump [redacted]
He’s an obvious national security threat. Biden could claim immunity since it would be an official act to protect the country.
I still don’t understand how this is an official DOJ policy. I always see it referenced as a DOJ memo from the 70s. Who gives a shit about memos? This is supposed to be a country of laws, not 50 year old memos.
But yeah, would love Garland to issue a new memo overturning that policy. Let Trump’s first official act be to overturn an existing policy to prevent him from being investigated. Not saying he would even hesitate to do it, just saying I’d like to make it an explicit step he has to take.
Legal memoranda are not just an interoffice note. They are policy interpretations and internally-governing documents. The memorandum is from the Office of Legal Counsel which is an independent subdepartment — neither Garland or the President himself can overturn the policy.
I was under the impression the OLC interprets things heavily in favor of the President (the position not a particular person) pretty consistently.
Thanks for the clarification. I’m glad that presidents can’t just overturn Justice Department policy when they want.
Wish we had a remind me bot so I can check this comment in 4 years and see if that’s still the case.
It won’t be. Because: fuck everything
That’s government for you. If the 50 year old memo is the only thing that talks about it, then that’s the basis forever. There’s so much stuff like this that there’s an actual legal term for ignoring it: Desuetude. But that’s usually for things much, much older than that, and they would have been actively ignored for almost as long.
The darkest Brandon would be [redacted]
That doesn’t matter if the DOJ is just a rubber-stamp puppet for the president.
Why? Prosecutors dogged Clinton for 8 years.
from the article:
In late October, Trump said in a radio interview that he would immediately fire Smith as special counsel if re-elected. “It’s so easy — I would fire him within two seconds,” Trump said, adding that he got “immunity at the Supreme Court.”
Clinton didn’t have a rabid dog in the AG office
That was back when presidents weren’t supposed to interfere with federal prosecutors. Those times no longer apply because most American voters don’t care about it.
Also all 3 branches of government including both chambers of Congress.
Thanks for all your hard work. Very meaningful.
Not sure if this is serious or sarcastic, but I do think what Smith did was meaningful.
Probably best not to give the Orange Idiot the satisfaction of firing them all. Sure it’s a petty victory, but when it’s the only victory all your hard work will ever amount to, go for it. The only way Trump will ever be punished is if somehow it becomes legal to punish his heirs/estate after he dies of whatever does him in. Old age or heart disease if I had to place a bet.
The people clearly made their choice and intentions known. It’s a shame.
I dont think republicans picking whos vote gets counted and throwing all the rest away really counts as ‘people made their choice’
Are you suggesting that the difference in results is purely because votes were tossed? Yea voters rolls purged and gerrymandering, but the left didn’t show up, and that’s why Trump won. He has by all accounts more supporters than Harris did, and they made their choice.
GOP have voter suppression down to a science at this point, if dems continue to do nothing about it they’ll never win anything ever again
Yes the Republicans suppressed the vote. But it was nowhere near the 20 million votes Democrats gave to Biden but not Harris. Trump would have won without suppression this time. There are just that many MAGA voters.
For sure, not arguing that, but if people went out and voted for Harris she maybe could have won. Instead more people voted for a rapist that will do everything in his power to take full power in the US.
The suspicious part was several states experienced a ton of people who voted for Trump, but voted straight Democrat downticket.
Stop acting like MAGA. I live in North Carolina. The state has voted Dems on the state level and Republicans on the federal level consistently since 2016. Even Trump distanced himself from Robinson after his Black Nazi porn shit came out.
So what your telling me is the guy who cheated in 2016 (proven in court) and cheated in 2020 (we all heard it) Definitely didnt cheat this time…
ok got it.
I mean, what’s one more normally-career-destroying crime spree that we investigate years after the fact and has no adverse effects on him?
It the US its becoming clear that the elected officials pick their voters, not the other way around as it should be. And yes both sides do it, but one side does it a Lot more.
And in case you missed it, criminal and rapist trump just nominated child rapist Matt Gatez to be attorney General, in case you were wondering how everything is going.
Elon Musk used Starlink to hack the voting machines, more people need to be talking about this
This is what it looks like when a man has no spine.
Or he is ending the thing so he can leak the evidence to the public instead of having it terminated by trump’s folks during his presidency and have to turn it all over to trumps people where it will suddenly stop existing. Smith has always existed several steps ahead, there is reason.
I remember when Meuller was going to be the one to take down Trump, I’m not holding out for a hero
Well you shouldn’t anyways
I wish one of those steps ahead had been a successful prosecution.
Him too. It was a minefield with every possible hindrance thrown in his way by a complicit Judge. I am amazed he made what progress he did.
special counsel jack smith is 100% my type. he could fuck me until my asshole was a gaping tent flap
Zaddy energy…
Homie seems like a coward from where I’m sitting.
You worked your entire career to get to this peak and you’re going to quit before they fire you?
No dedication. No spine. Mf should be waiting in his office with a loaded handgun for the clown squad to come get him.
He did it for a number of good reasons, mainly to leave the opportunity to continue the investigation later. Not a likely outcome at any point, but if they fire him they can also get rid of the case in ways they can’t if he resigns.
This smells like bullshit. Investigations are not tied to the employment of the investigator. Plenty, and I mean PLENTY of investigations are completed and used to try innocent schmucks all the time after the cops or detective has been shitcanned for one misconduct or another.
Making them fire him would open up the administration to yet more misconduct to investigate. Quitting let’s them have what they want with no risk whatsoever and no challenge to their shakey authority in the matter.
It’s a limp waisted conclusion to this limp wristed farce of trying to use the justice system as intended against someone the justice system has been carefully sculpted and tended to protect.
Dude went publicly up against one of the most powerful people in the world and you call him a simp ?
Go take finish taking your Putin back shot keyboard Gimp.
No I mean his face and body
Break my hips daddy
