I’m sorry some posts are being removed from this community. It is the actions of the Lemmy blahaj zone admins. There’s nothing we can do to prevent this. I suggest changing your instance to a better one.
Update: Blahaj blocked NCD
Was there some sort of beef that the blahaj admins had with sjw or ncd? I’m out of the loop here tbh
Blahaj zone admin here. There’s quite a bit of confusion and misunderstanding in this thread.
No one is “selectively removing NCD content” or anything close to it.
What happened is that 6 months ago, CDRMITTENS was instance banned from lemmy.blahaj.zone over an anti Palestinian meme they posted. You can see the mod log for that here https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog?postId=11419938. This meme conflated Hamas and Palestinians in general, and basically blamed Palestinians for their own genocide. Notably, the post also broke NCD rules 2 and 5, but wasn’t removed by NCD mods.
As a result of CDRMITTENS being instance banned, none of their content reaches lemmy.blahaj.zone anymore. You can see that for yourself here https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/u/CDRMITTENS@sh.itjust.works, which shows that no content from this user has reached blahaj.zone. There was no selective removal or editing of content at play, because none of their content reached blahaj.zone to be able to selectively remove it.
tl;dr - It’s just an instance ban, not selective moderation
Removed post https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/4336208
Removed post https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/11381339
Removed post https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/11419938
Removed post https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/16644488
Oh and instead of removing the post that violated your rules, you banned the person who submits the most content to NCD
The first link isn’t removed and the second link references Pepe. The third link is the same link as your first link
Oh and instead of removing the post that violated your rules,
Anyone that posts bigotry gets instance banned.
I have no idea about NCD. I don’t use it, I have no idea who posts in it, and it doesn’t come in to it. Anyone that posts bigotry gets instance banned, and your most active poster, posted bigotry.
and the second link references Pepe
… wait, is that really enough to justify removal?
It is when I’d just removed another post by the same user, conflating palestinians and hamas, blaming palestinians for their own genocide
Ah. I thought you meant there was a general rule against Pepe.
Pepe is a red flag. Not enough to ban outright with no other context, but when posted by a user who is posting bigotry elsewhere, it warrants a removal
I understand that point of view, definitely. Just wanted to make sure I didn’t need to be checking my meme folders carefully before posting on 196, not that I have many Pepe memes lol.
The first link isn’t removed
From the modlog: " Removed Post Why would the terrorists lie? 😭 reason: Violates server rule #7"
It has since been restored. Your own modlog shows its removal https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog/4573?page=1&actionType=ModRemovePost
the second link references Pepe.
Is this real life?
The third link is the same link as your first link
Fixed
reason: Violates server rule #7"
lemmy.blahaj.zone doesn’t have a “server rule 7”. The removal that you’re referring to was made by a lemmy.world admin and has nothing to do with blahaj.zone.
Fixed
Your third link now links to the meme that got CDRMITTENS banned from lemmy.blahaj.zone. This meme breaks your own community rules, and conflates Palestinians with Hamas. It’s outright bigotry
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/16644488 and this one?
If you don’t see a how an action from a government committing genocide, that injures or kills hundreds of civilians is a problem, then there is probably little point in having this conversation.
After posting this, I will be blocking NCD from blahaj.zone
Clown shit
Nuke, not to be a dick, but did you talk to Ada before making this post? Because it sounds like there might be some miscommunication here.
They have the right to remove any content from their server, but I have no intentions of holding any conversations with any admins over what content is allowed here.
No, but talking to the admins might’ve given you a better idea of why this was going down, especially considering one of the cases is an instance ban, not selective moderation.
Meh, if they decide to ban a specific user from another instance because they don’t like that user’s content, it’s fully their right to do so.
If you’re devout blahaj user but love NCD, might be a good idea to create an alt for fighter porn then. Otherwise meh it is what it is.
Definitely within their rights to control their own server. I just want everyone to be aware that sketchy things are happening. I know if I was a NCD user on Blahaj I would want to know.
Since this sub is not hosted on Blahaj, can you please provide a list here of mod actions on Blahaj showing what you mean?
I wouldn’t expect 3rd party moderation would have much impact thanks to federation.
Removed by mod
“if any” LMFAO
Y’all banned our top poster and remove any memes about Hamas or Hezbollah. Get out of here with this bullshit. And the whole “now is a weird time to notice”, I’m sorry I don’t keep tabs on every instance for you.
What is the removed comment?
It’s hard to believe your side of the story when opposing comments are being deleted by a admin in NCD.
All I can see is a whole lot of drama and a month old post that might have been deleted, but nobody can show the log.
Are you intentionally ignoring the comment I replied to you showing a removed post?
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/14767313
Here it is again if you’re having trouble, https://lemmy.world/post/19935466
The modlog is publicly available https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog/4573?page=1&actionType=ModRemovePost
No I saw that and I’m trying to figure out if there’s a real censorship problem here or just this one month old post.
You’re not helping your argument by being combative and silencing the other side.
Open NCD from blahaj and then open it from SJW. Notice anything missing?
I’m asking you to provide the evidence you already have instead of sending everyone on a hunt.
The posts removed all seem to sit along the Israel/Iran/etc conflict lines.
https://lemmy.world/post/19935466
and of course they banned CDRMITTENS the most frequent poster in this community
Removed by mod
Does that make it somehow irrelevant? Fuck off troll.
Things are fine as long as we’re not on blahaj, then? Just clarifying.
Correct! And there are tons of wonderful instances to choose from! Please everyone be mindful of which admins you choose to police your content.
always lookin for more mbin testers over at moist!
If you think I’m clicking a link titled moist.catsweat you out your mind
It’s too late to worry about taste and refinement.
I mean, you’re here, soooo…
Huh?
ha, k. its a known federating platform as seen on fedidb, fediverse observer fully integrated with lemmy servers all over the place. even a cursory inspection will show were legit.
Nice instance name
thanks! i figured the best way to keep commercial interests at bay was to make it, as i like to put it, ‘comically unmarketable’
Very marketable, but not from a corporate standpoint. I love it. I think you’ll be seeing neidu3 registering soon.
Registered neidu3 there, but I’m not giving you my email address. Any chance you could activate my account manually?
sure, done! you could also use those single-use services
Thanks!
And I know. But I’m lazy.
Wait, removed by Blahaj admins? What’s going on with that?
If I understand right, they’re upset that the blahaj.zone admins blocked content from CDRMITTENS on their instance. Blahaj admins can’t remove content from a community hosted on SJW, but they can prevent content posted by individual SJW users from showing up on blahaj.zone
Personally I think nuke is making a mountain out of a mole hill. Blahaj admins can do whatever they want on their instance. I don’t really care whether or not I can see content posted by someone who supports the IDF. I’d actually rather not see it tbh
Yeah, this all seems like a very unforced error. I love drama, but not when it interferes with the functioning of the wider Fediverse as a cohesive whole.
They’re very anti-“tankie”, and I can see how some ncd content gets caught up in that blast
That’s not what’s happening. A blahaj admin is tailoring this community’s content to fit their specific views.
As seen on their site right ? They aren’t actually changing the content of the community on sjw, they are just changing what is federated.
Yes, the other way around would be impossible.
Blahaj banned CDRmittens 6 months ago, which would explain the discrepency between posts as viewed from there.
Honestly, they could very well decide to just remove the community on their end if they so wished.
admin of an instance can still police their own users on external communities, this happened before (once i think) with lw (ie lw admin removed post of lw user on ncd@sjw)
Kind of, but only if an admin bans them with content removal.
Removing individual remote content from home users currently doesn’t federate.
I would rather that than their admins quietly censoring NCD and their members brigading us https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/18102304/11350330
Blahaj doesn’t even have downvotes and there isn’t a bunch of their users stirring shit in here either so idk about brigading.
That one user above posted a rather neutral comment, maybe helpful even. Whatever.The modlogs are pretty straight forward.
A blahaj admin banned CDRmittens 6 months ago, which means those posts simply don’t federate there anymore.
That’s… pretty much all there is to it.Like, there isn’t a blahaj mod actively watching this community and removing things in a big-shark-conspiracy kinda way. The posts never even make it there because they’re from a user they banned locally.
Lemmy kinda sucks in how one could never know about some remote bans, I’ll give you that.
Correct. This is an awareness post for NCD users on Blahaj that their view of our community is being censored.
Nuke, you sure that it’s intentional removal? I’ve seen propagation issues on instances before – like, two weeks back, my home instance, lemmy.today, was two days late on material from sh.itjust.works. In that case, resolved itself shortly after I posted to my local instance discussion community about it, so the instance admin didn’t dig into it, but two days of delay definitely has something breaking somewhere in lemmy or on one instance or another.
like, two weeks back, my home instance, lemmy.today, was two days late on material from sh.itjust.works.
I still don’t get NCD showing properly on sh.itjust.works, but I DO get new posts in my timeline, for some incomprehensible reason.
But in this case, it’s in the modlogs, not a bug.
I still don’t get NCD showing properly on sh.itjust.works, but I DO get new posts in my timeline, for some incomprehensible reason.
From this Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works account? Like, no federation involved, just an account with home instance sh.itjust.works and sh.itjust.works-hosted community?
Hmm. Are you sure that you have the right post sort order for the community? Like, “New” (not “New Comments”, which is a separate setting)? I distinctly remember, on several occasions, viewing a community and thinking “posts are not showing up”, when the actual issue was that I’d changed the post ordering and not noticed. That’d produce that kind of behavior.
Nuke, you sure that it’s intentional removal?
Yes, all the removals are about the Israel/Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran.
Okay, fair enough. Just wanted to avoid possible drama if it had been a similar technical issue.
oooOOOOOooo drama! SPILL THE TEA
It’s very important that we know in to make informed choices about instances going forward and also we love drama
The fact that the instance is named after an IKEA product was enough reason for me not to make an account there…
I get it, the shark plush is cute. Just a bit too…consumer? For me
My limited understanding is that there’s an association between the shark’s colors and the trans flag, and that this predates that instance in the trans world.
Honestly, I don’t even care if people want to run a censored instance – like, some people legitimately do not want to see some content – but I do think that they should be clear that they are doing so, which it sounds like they were not in this case.
Also does make one wonder whether other material might be missing on other topics from other communities.
ponders
As a general solution to making instance censorship visible, I suppose that it’d be technically-possible to write a bot that could spider Threadiverse instances and look for discrepancies between views of a community, provide a summary of instance censorship activity. If an admin wanted to silently censor content and wanted to go to enough work to make the censorship silent, they could try to identify the bot and only show posts to it, but I imagine that it’d be more work, especially if it acted anonymously and from a VPN.
As a bonus, that could also flag post propagation problems of the sort I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, kind of be a “Threadiverse health monitor”.
Regardless of the origin, it’s still a bit too close to corporate worship for me.
And as shitty as it is to selectively filter posts like that, I don’t think it’s a problem worth creating a bot for track. OP calling it out to make others aware was the right thing to do - let the users there decide if they care.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to create my own instance: McChicken.zone
I imagine that it’s not too complicated to just look at the community via lemmy.blahaj.zone, which presumably will show missing posts.
NCD’s native sh.itjust.works, which presumably has all posts visible:
https://sh.itjust.works/c/noncredibledefense?dataType=Post&sort=New
Lemmy.blahaj.zone’s view:
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/noncredibledefense@sh.itjust.works?dataType=Post&sort=New
even ml doesn’t stoop that low, cringe behaviour
Shameless advert: Come join lemmings.world! No policing, unless you’re a troll or a bigot.
Yeah, I blocked the entire Blahaj instance a while ago. I cant think of a single user I have seen from that instance that isn’t unsavory. Hopefully things improve soon.
I blocked the entire Blahaj instance a while ago
I cant think of a single user I have seen from that instance that isn’t unsavory
Can’t imagine why you haven’t seen any of the many chill folk from that server
The people I interacted with from that instance before I blocked it were very not chill. Maybe the chill people joined after I blocked the instance.
Really? Most folk from Blahaj I’ve found to be alright.
Of the instances federated with Lemmy.world, the only ones I’ve formed a negative opinions about are awful.systems and hilariouschaos
Awful.systems banned me immediately and permanently for one (1) detailed but televisable comment going ‘oh great, this again.’ Some places just want a megaphone to enforce their circlejerk.
Never seen the .ml instances or hexbear?
Hexbear has been defederated for a long time and I don’t interact with any .ml users enough
Of the instances federated with Lemmy.world,
Never seen the .ml instances or hexbear?
Unless something has changed recently, lemmy.world defederated from hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml, so it’s just lemmy.ml of those three that glimse@lemmy.world would have been talking about.
goes to investigate
Yeah, looks like that remains the case.
Click on the “Blocked instances” tab. I wish that lemmy had a way to link directly to that tab, as I certainly link to it a fair number of times.
I haven’t found that to be the case. Probably just an admin power tripping.
Lemmy.dbzer0.com has a community aimed at highlighting this sort of thing, !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com.
I’m personally not sure that it’s actually a great way to deal with unreasonable mod or admin actions – I’d favor general technical solutions like the spider I mentioned in this thread over having “name and shame” stuff where possible, think that name-and-shame tends to generate conflict. But I suppose that it does help people who might object to such actions, like lemmy.blahaj.zone home instance users in this case, be aware that they are getting a censored view and choose communities and instances accordingly. I mean, I’d want to know myself if my own home instance admin were silently removing content on my instance.
That’s my reason for the post, to tell any NCD users who are on Blahaj that their view of our community is being censored.
Yeah…what I’m thinking, though I haven’t gone looking, is that the removals may extend beyond NCD content, may be affecting other users who aren’t on NCD and won’t see the post.
Perhaps, but it was just in regular comments, not admin actions. Maybe I just got unlucky RNG.
