• CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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      People really really don’t like Trump; the stink of covid, Jan 6, and 8 years of abrasive Thanksgiving dinner arguments have annoyed alot of suburban white people

      But my god is Kamala booking it to nullify all those disadvantages

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        the stink of covid

        I’m confused. Trump sincerely handled Covid better though didn’t he? Aside from being late to act which was a feature of most western govs. Dude actually gave people money and supported lockdowns and shit. He still takes Ls with his audience for not being a denier or anti-vax. On the other hand Dems rushed to end it and sweep evidence that it’s still around under the rug by ending all testing.

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          Yeah Liberals acted all aghast when Trump said we should stop testing for covid and it would go away, and then when Biden got into power they did that. They promised money and then didn’t deliver. They fucking lied as much as Trump did

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        They used to get abrasive Thanksgiving dinners with uncles and meemaws and peepaws, but now it’s abrasive dinner with their kids and nieces and nephews. At least during Trump years the kids were on their side mostly, albeit for different reasons

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        Suburban white liberals hate Trump because of optics. Lots of white and suburban people love Trump unfortunately.

        Trump was going to be at Biden, now he’s probably going to be at Kamala. This isn’t because he has no support, but because his support is entrenched and the strategy of both Dem candidates has been to try and sacrifice leftist votes to eat away at those Trump votes, which only even worked in 2020 because of the freshness of COVID imo.

        She ruined her chances almost immediately after choosing Walz.

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          which only even worked in 2020 because of the freshness of COVID imo.

          Didn’t Trump also discourage his supporters from voting by telling them the election was being stolen like right before the election?

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        Since 2016 I’ve been convinced the only thing that really matters I energising your base and trumps base is crazy for him. Voter turnout is so low it doesn’t matter that much how many like you, just that those that do go vote.

        Kamala has the same pitch Hillary had. She’s coasting a bit on Joe’s wave and Joe only just barely won in 2020 due to COVID and riots. He was promoted as “harm reduction” and you’re seeing them trying out that coat of paint with her as well, but it’s not really sticking. Not with four years of broken promises and proudly expanding republican policies. On top of that theres “no” COVID, so I don’t see the Dems making it far.

        People aren’t excited for Kamala most are just holding their nose to get rid of Trump.

        Trump has gotten older and weirder, so maybe he’s run out of gas, but I really think we’re gonna see a repeat of 2016. Seems like the Dems learned nothing from back then. They might get very lucky and have him experience some rapid developing variant of dementia. Seems like something is happening to him.

        I think the big thing is that the for the Dems this is 2020 again: “We’re gonna take Trump seriously this time”, but for the rest of the world it’s 2024: “How are you any different from him?”

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          It’s been like this forever in the US. You win by getting your side to show up. Democrats outnumber republicans nearly 2 to 1. Republicans know this so they use voter suppression antics. Trump won in 2016 because his supporters were energetic. They do not want mail-in ballots to become universal because they’d never win another election. Democrats knew this in 2008 but seem to have forgotten since.

          It’s the nature of the US election system that causes this where the side that wins is the side who had an easier time voting.

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            That used to be true but I don’t know if it is anymore. The coalition has shattered. Democrats became neocons and scooped up the “moderate Republicans” but lost all of their leftwing and all progressives. They’ve lost immigrants. They’re losing the trade unionists. They’re losing hispanics and blacks. They’re losing the youth vote. It’s all slipping away from them, the so called inevitable demographic takeover is shrinking backwards faster than it is advancing as Democrats slide to the right and aim all their appeal towards financially secure boomers. There’s a real possibility and certain electoral paths where Trump wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college, something unthinkable before 2016.

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      nah trump has aggrieved too many republicans this time imo

      and he seems wet brained

      he would’ve walked over Biden but I think Kamala wins it this time

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        he seems wet

        We are so back.

        Yeah, he has pissed off too many people and there may be a legitimate reason to believe the agencies put a bounty on his fucking head, but there are still enough sycophants to potentially carry him. I don’t see Kamala rallying like that, everyone hates her.

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        I don’t believe Republicans will win the Democrats the White House.

        This is the exact thinking from the party that is going to cost them the election with their insistence on being Republicans to get support of these “Republicans who hate Trump” while alienating the left.

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          I don’t think “the left” is a relevant political force in Amerikkka. If we narrow the definition of “left” to “people who will withhold their vote from the dems because of their reactionary positions”, I think the numbers are low enough to be a statistical error.

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            I disagree, not because I think Americans are secretly radical leftists en-masse or anything.

            But I believe there are more “leftists” willing to withhold their vote over blatant anti-immigrant and pro-genocide rhetoric than there are Republicans willing to switch from their support of Trump to support a black woman saying the same stuff in a more polite (liberal) way.

            We are too weak and divided to force any actual positive changes ourselves, but in a race as close as this one it can (and I believe will) be the difference, they don’t have to unite for something, just to stick to principles on basic stuff they’re against. Staying home hurts her just as much as voting PSL or whatever.