• UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    I will never, ever, fully understand why so many right-wing chuds, especially 4chan groypers, can’t shut up about how horny they are for “futas” while at the same time wishing violent death to living breathing trans people.

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      I think for some people (mainly men I’d wager?) there is a thing about wanting to fuck a thing and also hating that same thing not being mutually exclusive phenomena. “The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference” as the famous line goes, not that I conflate love with lust.

      I think that’s probably the case in a lot of incels who hate women, but still sexually desire them, presumably in a lot of SA cases and murder cases too.

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        Perhaps you’re right. White supremacist chuds demographically consume a lot of interracial “cuck” porn, as is demonstrated every time some GOP convention comes to town and porn sites show their local metrics.

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      Because women exist as property to them, meant for possession. When the woman breaks out of this condition and asserts herself as something other than an object, they wish to force her back in her place. They hate (wish to push women back into property status) but desire women (wish to possess them as property) at the same time.

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        It still baffles me. I can’t get into the mindset of wanting to get off to someone that I also hate.

        I know “futas” aren’t 1:1 analogues for trans people, mind. It’s just a crude fetish from crude chanlord weebs for the most part. The cognitive dissonance is still confusing, the way that they consume lots of anime slop with girls with non-natural hair colors but get really mad at living women with hair dye.

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      Because they have a porn addiction and have already spent hours upon hours scrolling through vanilla porn, it no longer does it for them and they need to find something different to get off. Usually that different thing becomes more and more extreme/alternative porn such as sexual violence, same sex porn even though they have never been attracted to the same sex before their addiction, futa and even child porn.

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        Fwiw I’d argue that “same sex” and ““futa”” (trans/intersex) porn and sexuality shouldn’t be considered extreme or “alternative” in the first place, though I know that wasn’t what you were trying to say.

        You’re right about the mechanism of the addiction though, but I’d also add another thing- these gooners hate cis women as well (though hating on trans and queer people is even easier/more societally promoted yet). And this behavior and hatred long predates modern pornography in any of its forms, sadly.

        They’re not just “victims of an addiction” - the resentment and dehumanization predates the addiction (which doesn’t help). They’re simply shitty, bigoted, entitled people, sadly a tale as old as time.

        (edit) basically- liking trans/intersex/etc bodies is natural. Liking bodies of the same sex is natural. I don’t think it’s an “extremity” that drives people to liking such porn (the other things mentioned on the other hand, yes), it simply means they’re attracted to other human bodies, it’s not an abnormality

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          You’re right, it’s not extreme/alternative on its own but it is extreme/alternative for them because of their pre-existing hatred for these things.

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            True. Though (while this doesn’t contradict) I’d argue that they had to have the- inclination, or interest inherent from the start (which is entirely natural and nothing wrong nor extreme- it is their perception of it that is extreme).

            *Edit: if you think about it, it would be more absurd and unlikely for someone to, say, only be interested in one extreme or the other of the stereotypical gender spectrum, presentation, or identity. Being a p-do, or liking violent or non-consensual sex- those are all genuine abnormalities and extremities, to which those people with such issues need to control and work against internally- ie. nothing alike.

            Some of the most bigoted people are internalizing their own insecurities or self-hatred, for instance. Back as a kid (thankfully when confronted with it I learnt better and rapidly and was decent by 16-17 onwards) I used to be vocally homophobic for instance myself, beyond what even I was raised to be (literally talked about “killing gays and racists…”)

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    So support to diversity of transgenderism and sexual orientation is ‘leftist’ to socially conservative European diaspora who only want transgender and homosexual people to exist solely as fanservice to heterosexual men?

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      From bourgeois perspective, LGBTQIA people are specialty menu items for consumption. Keeping the majority of them oppressed, isolated, and precarious keeps them in accessible supply for exploitation and then disposal, leaving the satisfied consumer free to return to their respectable family life. The neoliberal turn has come with the innovation of allowing LGBTQIA assimilationist tokens to gain high profile, to pacify and demobilize queer liberation, while the exploitative dynamic remains intact overall.

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        This, 100000%… and this is as a trans POC who has been exactly that, even did a small talking bit once for (insert certain corpo here)…

        Even if some, or many people might have sympathies with all the minorities (LGBT minorities, religious and ethnic and racial minorities, etc) or for the developing world, womens’ rights, or the working classes, etc. they ultimately are part of the system that’s the problem, that churns up our lives (and particularly and with discriminatory preference, our lives) for profit. We’re menu items, and nowadays we’re also items which they use to absolve themselves of guilt and convince themselves they’re not monsters, though they won’t end the broader system of exploitation (they’ll just create plausible deniability/distance to the direct exploitation at best, and when pushed they’ll mostly go fascist as they always do).

        Capitalism has always commodified those it oppresses, but now it also sells indulgences, just like the Catholic church of old.

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    I refuse to believe this isn’t a bit. I wouldn’t even be surprised if a Hexbear user made this.