This idea of a majority Jewish state, kept so through military occupation of Arab-dense territories, needs to simply go away.
I’m a one-state solution guy. Let everyone there practice their religion in peace and access their holy sites freely, and let democracy reign.
Israel’s big sin is that they want democracy BUT only with a majority Jewish population and an official state religion etc etc etc. It’s more than a Jewish homeland - it’s an ethnostate.
That is what needs to end. It doesn’t go somewhere else. No one gets pushed into the sea. We just stop pretending like we can use arms to carve out the “democracy” we want, and Israelis and Palestinians all live in a state that guarantees their freedom and safety.
Some fear that extremists will rise and take over that pluralistic society: build a constitution that prevents this. Embrace pluralism. Marshall Plan the fuck out of Gaza until the Palestinians see they have more to lose than their misery.
How do you propose your plan survives the inevitable waves of suicide bombers when you remove the walls and checkpoints?
Do you force the settlers to give the land back?
How do you deal with the hardliners on both sides who would do everything in their power to foil your plan? What if those people have popular support and your plan doesn’t?
Does Palestine simply cease to exist as it’s incorporated into Israel? What do you do about the Palestinians who would argue you’re trying to erase their culture and identity?
Who pays to rebuild Gaza?
Do we call it a day and let those accused of war crimes off the hook or do we hold them to account?
Or apartheid South Africa, Nazi Germany, West and East Germany, Yugoslavia, South Vietnam, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, the USSR, etc. Countries change all the time. Normal people don’t care they just keep on living their lives. They’re just lines on a map. It’s weird people don’t understand this.
Same place the rhodesians went. Many stayed in the new country (Zimbabwe), many immigrated away to surrounding countries or Europe. In the case of Israel a simikar situation can happen, and mang Israelis are dual citizens.
Don’t go there.
If people would’ve had these opinions on Germany after WW2 that would’ve went really bad.
Germany has been rehabilitated not perfectly but imo rather well.
I think it is possible for Israel/Palestine as well.
Or are you suggesting to genocide Israelis like their government is doing to Palestinians right now?
That’d be pretty fucked up, don’t you think?
The state of Germany as it were no longer exists. It was literally deleted. This doesn’t mean that all of Germany was genocided. You just cooked up a worst case of your own head and projected it onto op.
Read my comments. I am not defending the genocide. Just not a big fan of the removal of any states or people.
Your rage is directed in the wrong direction.
People did have these opinions after WW2. They removed nazis from poland, france, russia, etc. Similarly, if zionists refuse to accept freedom, equality, etc., then they’re free to return to their actual “homelands” in europe, asia, africa, etc. for rehabilitation.
Sounds eerily similar to Palestinians, who don’t have those actual homes you speak of right now at this moment, since they were demolished by the genocidal IDF.
I think “Israel” needs to be demilitarized and dezionified so that they cannot hurt anyone else. The people responsible for the genocide and crimes against the Palestinian people need to be tried in a court.
Let an international alliance govern the affairs of a new state of Palestinians and Jews willing to live together in piece. Everyone else who wants to continue the violence can fuck Off.
I don’t understand why I am being downvoted for this except that maybe some of these people screaming for peace here actually just want to reverse the killing.
It’s probably because your comment shows a lack of understanding of the region. A demilitarized Israel is a destroyed Israel. They’ve been attacked by every surrounding state multiple times. Hamas, Lebanon/Hezbollah, and Iran have been consistently firing rockets into Israel for years.
The reason why these conflicts are so complicated is that both sides have done so many horrible things that no one is on the “right” side of history. It’s like trying to argue who was the good guy in all the wars of Medival Europe.
Maybe just “would’ve gone”, if I’m speaking English.
Or are you suggesting to genocide Israelis
I think one can stop propping them up and emboldening them to attack every neighbouring country on the shittiest of sham pretexts, and prevent their repeated belligerent invasions of other sovereign nations without going as far as actually attacking them back, let-fucking-alone going all the way to genocide.
That’s a bit of a leap, don’t ya think? I’ve seen goalposts move, but that’s a little ridiculous.
Thank you for correcting me in such a condescending way. Not everyone is a native speaker, doesn’t mean I don’t speak English.
Look at the comment I am replying to. The literally said Israel must go. What is that implicating? Certainly not Israel needs to be rehabilitated, like Nazi Germany, which is what I am advocating for here.
Reading your second paragraph, we seem to agree.
It’s the Comment I am replying to that seems to want Israel gone. How do you make that happen, without eradicating or displacing them (both of which is considered genocide)?
Thank you for correcting me in such a condescending way.
That’s an assumption. Am I psychic?
Not everyone is a native speaker, doesn’t mean I don’t speak English.
Non-native speakers usually write English really well. Should I know your background and education and your intent like I’m psychic, or should I hope everyone does something correctly and look toward that as a goal?
Sorry I didn’t measure up to the next layer of goalposts!
At this point Israel needs to go, it’s an enemy of world peace.
Go where? If you have a plan, let’s hear it.
Well, I have a plan and I’ll tell you what it is.
This idea of a majority Jewish state, kept so through military occupation of Arab-dense territories, needs to simply go away.
I’m a one-state solution guy. Let everyone there practice their religion in peace and access their holy sites freely, and let democracy reign.
Israel’s big sin is that they want democracy BUT only with a majority Jewish population and an official state religion etc etc etc. It’s more than a Jewish homeland - it’s an ethnostate.
That is what needs to end. It doesn’t go somewhere else. No one gets pushed into the sea. We just stop pretending like we can use arms to carve out the “democracy” we want, and Israelis and Palestinians all live in a state that guarantees their freedom and safety.
Some fear that extremists will rise and take over that pluralistic society: build a constitution that prevents this. Embrace pluralism. Marshall Plan the fuck out of Gaza until the Palestinians see they have more to lose than their misery.
How do you propose your plan survives the inevitable waves of suicide bombers when you remove the walls and checkpoints?
Do you force the settlers to give the land back?
How do you deal with the hardliners on both sides who would do everything in their power to foil your plan? What if those people have popular support and your plan doesn’t?
Does Palestine simply cease to exist as it’s incorporated into Israel? What do you do about the Palestinians who would argue you’re trying to erase their culture and identity?
Who pays to rebuild Gaza?
Do we call it a day and let those accused of war crimes off the hook or do we hold them to account?
Away. Same as Rhodesia.
Or apartheid South Africa, Nazi Germany, West and East Germany, Yugoslavia, South Vietnam, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, the USSR, etc. Countries change all the time. Normal people don’t care they just keep on living their lives. They’re just lines on a map. It’s weird people don’t understand this.
People killed are just numbers so weird people don’t understand this.
Once again demonstrating your inability to tell the difference between the two
Once more, where?
Look up Rhodesia, some stayed, some emigrated.
There is zero reason to keep a genocidal terrorist ethnostate in control anywhere in the world.
So you don’t have an answer, just say that then and stop wasting my time.
You were literally given an answer.
No, once again … where do you want 10,000,000 Israelis to go?
Okay, unblock your ears and fucking listen this time.
They can stay in the new state, or emigrate to another country.
Like I’ve told you multiple times, they can do the same thing that happened last time an ethnostate was destroyed.
??? He literally just said, they want Israel as a country to no longer exist.
What about the 10,000,000 Israelis, where do they go? OP was just banging on about Rhodesia and not answering a simple question.
Same place the rhodesians went. Many stayed in the new country (Zimbabwe), many immigrated away to surrounding countries or Europe. In the case of Israel a simikar situation can happen, and mang Israelis are dual citizens.
Don’t go there. If people would’ve had these opinions on Germany after WW2 that would’ve went really bad. Germany has been rehabilitated not perfectly but imo rather well. I think it is possible for Israel/Palestine as well.
Or are you suggesting to genocide Israelis like their government is doing to Palestinians right now? That’d be pretty fucked up, don’t you think?
The state of Germany as it were no longer exists. It was literally deleted. This doesn’t mean that all of Germany was genocided. You just cooked up a worst case of your own head and projected it onto op.
Oh fuck off.
Calling for the removal of a state is not a call for genocide.
I’m so sick of this false equivalency in defense of an actual ongoing genocide by perpetrated by Israel.
Read my comments. I am not defending the genocide. Just not a big fan of the removal of any states or people. Your rage is directed in the wrong direction.
People did have these opinions after WW2. They removed nazis from poland, france, russia, etc. Similarly, if zionists refuse to accept freedom, equality, etc., then they’re free to return to their actual “homelands” in europe, asia, africa, etc. for rehabilitation.
80% of Israeli Jews were born in Israel, they do not have an “actual home” to go back to
Sounds eerily similar to Palestinians, who don’t have those actual homes you speak of right now at this moment, since they were demolished by the genocidal IDF.
If you think that my comment means “Israelis have some god-given right to kick everyone else off of that land”, you are deeply misunderstanding me
No worries, I understood, just pointed out that similarity.
Ahh fair enough. Sorry for the hostile tone then
Thank God they didn’t gain the upper hand.
I think “Israel” needs to be demilitarized and dezionified so that they cannot hurt anyone else. The people responsible for the genocide and crimes against the Palestinian people need to be tried in a court. Let an international alliance govern the affairs of a new state of Palestinians and Jews willing to live together in piece. Everyone else who wants to continue the violence can fuck Off.
I don’t understand why I am being downvoted for this except that maybe some of these people screaming for peace here actually just want to reverse the killing.
It’s probably because your comment shows a lack of understanding of the region. A demilitarized Israel is a destroyed Israel. They’ve been attacked by every surrounding state multiple times. Hamas, Lebanon/Hezbollah, and Iran have been consistently firing rockets into Israel for years.
The reason why these conflicts are so complicated is that both sides have done so many horrible things that no one is on the “right” side of history. It’s like trying to argue who was the good guy in all the wars of Medival Europe.
Maybe just “would’ve gone”, if I’m speaking English.
I think one can stop propping them up and emboldening them to attack every neighbouring country on the shittiest of sham pretexts, and prevent their repeated belligerent invasions of other sovereign nations without going as far as actually attacking them back, let-fucking-alone going all the way to genocide.
That’s a bit of a leap, don’t ya think? I’ve seen goalposts move, but that’s a little ridiculous.
Thank you for correcting me in such a condescending way. Not everyone is a native speaker, doesn’t mean I don’t speak English.
Look at the comment I am replying to. The literally said Israel must go. What is that implicating? Certainly not Israel needs to be rehabilitated, like Nazi Germany, which is what I am advocating for here.
Reading your second paragraph, we seem to agree.
It’s the Comment I am replying to that seems to want Israel gone. How do you make that happen, without eradicating or displacing them (both of which is considered genocide)?
That’s an assumption. Am I psychic?
Non-native speakers usually write English really well. Should I know your background and education and your intent like I’m psychic, or should I hope everyone does something correctly and look toward that as a goal?
Sorry I didn’t measure up to the next layer of goalposts!
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Wut?
Do you just pick random things to insult people with?
Fuck Russia, Fuck Israel, and all the other shit cunts out there.
Ukraine and Palestine will prevail.
Says the guy who likes pineapple on pizza, smh…
I gotta be honest, I don’t hate it.
Says the guy that doesn’t like the LOTR trilogy…
He likes pineapple on pizza? Oh then his opinion matters more to me cause I too like food crimes involving fruit.
Pizza is already using fruit as its main component
I think the main component of pizza is bread but you bring up a valid point
Grain is also fruit, botanically speaking.
Dammit I’ve been technically corrected!