As President Joe Biden faces a growing drumbeat of pressure to drop his reelection bid, most Democrats think his vice president would make a good president herself.
They Harris Trump wins she is a fucking horrible choice. Yall forget how many independents are sitting on the fence. Which means a lot of them still can’t choose (which should say a lot) No way she can beat Trump.
I still can’t fathom how the fuck anyone is an independent anymore. Too lazy to vote, yes. Have no idea who your party’s candidate is? Sure. Don’t know which party to vote for? No way in hell.
Looking at voting data, almost no one is really independent. The vast majority of people who register independent almost always vote down party lines for one party, and they just don’t want to label themselves democrat or republican.
I’m registered independent. If we had options, I would have changed that to vote in the democratic primaries, and I considered changing it to vote uncommitted.
Although I align more closely with progressive democrats, serious question, where do I fit if what I believe in most strongly is a Cooperative Economy and an alternative measure of GDP?
For good measure for those interested:
a sort of mathematical proof cooperation works better for, not only everyone but, the individual than competition and acting in one’s own self interest (aka capitalism).
I am familiar with the concept of the cooperative economy
You vote in local elections. You look for people with more progressive platforms and you put in the work to get them known. Even if they don’t necessarily want what you want, but their presence would move the overton window in your favor, you help them. I also work with people who want to scrap FPTP voting too. Even if we hard disagree on most issues, something like that is worth working together for. The US is very right wing, very corporatist, and very out of touch with anything not in their social bubble. This is going to take generations of work. Until then, if you are progressively aligned, you only, currently, have one real option at the federal level. Not voting for them doesn’t really hurt them, personally, but it will hurt a lot of people not in charge if the regressive party takes power.
And who knows, might have to pick-up a rifle at some point.
Which is why I don’t understand why the Democrats seem to so heavily target these mythical independents. Feels like the Republicans have completely stopped catering to anyone other than their base, meanwhile Democrats seem to ignore their base or compromise their own values for voters that don’t even exist. To me it’s the strongest argument for the whole theory of controlled opposition, even if I don’t really believe in that.
It is because our elections are not won by large margins. The difference between winning and losing is often decided less than 3% of the vote. While people who register for them, are basically locked in, with more nuance I am not getting into now, there still is about 3 percent of independent voters that do seem to vacillate between parties. With independent voters making up 42% of registered voters that amount can win, or lose, them the election.
Ok so 3% of the 42% of independent voters are truly undecided. Why spend the effort on them, vs actually motivating the roughly 50% of your base + independents who are actually Democrats that just don’t show up.
It feels like by doggedly pursuing this tiny fraction of 3% undecided voters, they disillusion a much higher percentage of their own already locked in supporters from actually showing up. If they spent their efforts on targeting supporters that just don’t vote, could they get 5% more votes? 10? 15?
Time and time again it feels that the side that wins isn’t the one that flipped a vote, but rather the side that was more excited and engaged. Someone the Republicans seem to have figured out and work heavily towards.
It is a lot harder to get a large percent of your voting base behind a single person when it is the de facto party for anyone left of autocratic, right wing, authoritarianism. Meanwhile a republican can just belligerently spout bigotry, play a “strong man” leader, and pay lip service to theocrats, and a small handful of single issues, and activate a base who will vote for them like it is a religious decree.
It is that simple. Roughly 1/3 of the population want fascism, or something is the same wheelhouse. A little more do not necessarily want that, but are unconcerned with it happening as long as they get to own a gun, or whatever their single issue may be. Everyone who thinks this is bad is stuck with the democrats, and most people are to physically comfortable to truly risk anything for the large systemic changes needed to fix this. At least not the will to sustain it for the multiple generations it will take to see the fruits of that labor.
I mean exactly? Why are Democrats courting the people flirting with fascists instead of at least the broad, varied base of their own group. The could cater to the conservative Democrats and still come out ahead.
Honestly. I don’t give a fuck at this point. Just give me a D who can get to 270. Fuck the republican traitor filth.
People are begging for that D. Just give them the D!
What’s 270?
The number of electoral votes needed to win the presidency
Electoral college minimum majority to win the election.
The only number that matters. Unfortunately, the number of people that want a President doesn’t matter in our goofy, slave-era Electoral College.
The number of electoral college votes to win. Each state has a number of votes based on the census population data.
270 is half the EC.
It’s the amount of people the U.S who want to vote for Kamala Harris.
That’s sort of the whole deal - we’re all looking for who can get us there the best (at least those of us arguing in good faith)
They Harris Trump wins she is a fucking horrible choice. Yall forget how many independents are sitting on the fence. Which means a lot of them still can’t choose (which should say a lot) No way she can beat Trump.
I still can’t fathom how the fuck anyone is an independent anymore. Too lazy to vote, yes. Have no idea who your party’s candidate is? Sure. Don’t know which party to vote for? No way in hell.
Looking at voting data, almost no one is really independent. The vast majority of people who register independent almost always vote down party lines for one party, and they just don’t want to label themselves democrat or republican.
I’m registered independent. If we had options, I would have changed that to vote in the democratic primaries, and I considered changing it to vote uncommitted.
Although I align more closely with progressive democrats, serious question, where do I fit if what I believe in most strongly is a Cooperative Economy and an alternative measure of GDP?
For good measure for those interested:
a sort of mathematical proof cooperation works better for, not only everyone but, the individual than competition and acting in one’s own self interest (aka capitalism).
Economy for the Common Good (one alternative measure of GDP) explained. Starts around 7:00 minutes in.
I am familiar with the concept of the cooperative economy
You vote in local elections. You look for people with more progressive platforms and you put in the work to get them known. Even if they don’t necessarily want what you want, but their presence would move the overton window in your favor, you help them. I also work with people who want to scrap FPTP voting too. Even if we hard disagree on most issues, something like that is worth working together for. The US is very right wing, very corporatist, and very out of touch with anything not in their social bubble. This is going to take generations of work. Until then, if you are progressively aligned, you only, currently, have one real option at the federal level. Not voting for them doesn’t really hurt them, personally, but it will hurt a lot of people not in charge if the regressive party takes power.
And who knows, might have to pick-up a rifle at some point.
Which is why I don’t understand why the Democrats seem to so heavily target these mythical independents. Feels like the Republicans have completely stopped catering to anyone other than their base, meanwhile Democrats seem to ignore their base or compromise their own values for voters that don’t even exist. To me it’s the strongest argument for the whole theory of controlled opposition, even if I don’t really believe in that.
It is because our elections are not won by large margins. The difference between winning and losing is often decided less than 3% of the vote. While people who register for them, are basically locked in, with more nuance I am not getting into now, there still is about 3 percent of independent voters that do seem to vacillate between parties. With independent voters making up 42% of registered voters that amount can win, or lose, them the election.
Ok so 3% of the 42% of independent voters are truly undecided. Why spend the effort on them, vs actually motivating the roughly 50% of your base + independents who are actually Democrats that just don’t show up.
It feels like by doggedly pursuing this tiny fraction of 3% undecided voters, they disillusion a much higher percentage of their own already locked in supporters from actually showing up. If they spent their efforts on targeting supporters that just don’t vote, could they get 5% more votes? 10? 15?
Time and time again it feels that the side that wins isn’t the one that flipped a vote, but rather the side that was more excited and engaged. Someone the Republicans seem to have figured out and work heavily towards.
It is a lot harder to get a large percent of your voting base behind a single person when it is the de facto party for anyone left of autocratic, right wing, authoritarianism. Meanwhile a republican can just belligerently spout bigotry, play a “strong man” leader, and pay lip service to theocrats, and a small handful of single issues, and activate a base who will vote for them like it is a religious decree.
It is that simple. Roughly 1/3 of the population want fascism, or something is the same wheelhouse. A little more do not necessarily want that, but are unconcerned with it happening as long as they get to own a gun, or whatever their single issue may be. Everyone who thinks this is bad is stuck with the democrats, and most people are to physically comfortable to truly risk anything for the large systemic changes needed to fix this. At least not the will to sustain it for the multiple generations it will take to see the fruits of that labor.
I mean exactly? Why are Democrats courting the people flirting with fascists instead of at least the broad, varied base of their own group. The could cater to the conservative Democrats and still come out ahead.