Being concerned about your own race is not enough.
We need to know what the national strategy is. Who would replace Joe Biden? The fact that Scholten calls for Biden to get out, while is herself unable to name a reasonable replacement shows the magnitude of the problem. These Democrats want Biden to leave before a cohesive post-Biden strategy is formulated.
I’m not necessarily against replacing Biden. But I am absolutely against Democrats running around like a headless chicken 4 months before the election. Have Democrats settled on Harris as the replacement? Are yall actually cool with that?
Can you actually say “Harris should replace Biden” moving forward, rather than this wishy-washy “Please leave Biden” kind of talk? One statement speaks far louder than the other.
I’ll vote for Harris. I’ll vote for Biden. This strategy doesn’t affect me or my vote. So I see it as a waste of time. But if everyone else is nervous, give me a sign that you actually have a cohesive strategy moving forward rather than just having nerves or weak knees about this situation.
I expect progressives are using this as an opportunity to backstab Biden and most Democrats, and install someone much further left / appealing to their personal politics. That’s why progressives can’t name someone they actually want to run / replace Biden and want to just bring Biden down in the vain hopes that they win out in the chaos. But that’s too dangerous of a strategy for me moving forward. I want to know who actually has reasonable chances of beating Trump (and I think Kamala Haris has worse chances than Biden actually). I want to know who specifically these people want to support before Biden steps down.
Yes. You need to prove to me that Biden stepping out is better for Democrats and/or America than Biden staying in.
If your strategy is bullshit “I’ll figure it out later”, then sorry, I’m sticking with Biden for my support. If you can’t even reliably tell me that you’ll back Kamala Haris (or any other specificly named reasonable replacement), then that’s proof of your lack of strategy.
This is too important of an issue to fuck up and turn into chaos just a few months before the election. If yall don’t like Biden, then my strategy is for Biden to run and then resign in January, making Kamala President (and keeping the important technicalities of donations which are earmarked to the Biden campaign). Anything else has incredible amounts of risk tying up important money that’s been collected for months. (Alternatively, if someone can assure me that Kamala will have the full support of the Biden campaign’s resources if Biden leaves… I can support Kamala without a doubt).
Chaos is the right call. Predictability is how we lose.
Trump wins news cycle after news cycle because he is chaotic. The media knows the American public can’t wait to hear every outlandish thing that comes out of his mouth.
We need as much chaos as we can generate coming into the convention, winning us news cycle after news cycle, whipping the base into a frenzy. Chaos builds energy and excitement. Chaos works for us.
What we can’t have is another “Bernie or Bust” scenario, where we name a viable candidate too early, get everyone to fall in love, then replace them with unmitigated boredom. Naming a candidate today runs that risk.
The chaos of Occupy Wall Street in 2011 caused the Republicans to win in 2012, 2014, and 2016.
I don’t think you guys are as good at chaos as Republicans. No offense. I’m betting on predictability. You guys think you’re winning when in fact you’re just turning the independents against you and killing your chances. Every fucking time.
Biden beat Trump. Biden got results. I’m still putting my trust in that over the random chaos that the far left asks for every time.
What we can’t have is another “Bernie or Bust” scenario, where we name a viable candidate too early, get everyone to fall in love, then replace them with unmitigated boredom. Naming a candidate today runs that risk.
The problem with Bernie is that he’s a socialist in a country that hates socialists. Yall picked poorly. We’re not running to make progressives feel good (like Occupy Wall Street in 2011) only to have Republicans kick your ass. We’re trying to beat Trump this year as priority #1.
I already said earlier who the alternative is: its Kamala Harris and only if some legal technicalities regarding Biden’s campaign funds can be figured out. Can you pledge your support of Kamala Harris today with me?
There’s some very large piles of money that need to be moved around and maneuvered here to support whoever the Democrats pick is. And a lot of that pile of money is signed and earmarked to Biden specifically. If Biden and Harris aren’t your pick, what’s your plan to do with the money?
Harris is Clinton circa 2008. She’s the boring, predictable candidate that nobody really wants, but we have to pick someone and everyone already knows her.
Obama circa 2008 hasn’t shown up yet. We’ll get to meet them in about three weeks.
You’ve had 2016, 2020, and now the entirety of 2024 campaign season to come up with somebody.
Time is out. We pick now. Its Biden or Harris. You pretending like there’s a 3rd option ignores the fact that fundraising season is over and that you’d permanently hamper the new candidate to not have money in time for the November election.
Lets say Biden resigns tomorrow. Where does the campaign cash go? Maybe (and I’m not 100% sure), MAYBE Harris. But its not earmarked to anyone else. So that just burns that pile of cash effectively.
So maybe before going into the 2024 election without any fucking money, give this a few minutes of thought and come up with a better plan.
Obama circa 2008 hasn’t shown up yet. We’ll get to meet them in about three weeks.
Why didn’t your hypothetical and imaginary friend show up in the Democratic primaries earlier this year? And why do you delude yourself into thinking that they exist?
Some strong governors have been floated as options aside from Haris. But I’m not seeing how the various governor candidates deal with the money issue highlighted over the past week. Biden resigning, Haris inheriting the money and then picking a strong running made might be the best path forward.
Can you agree to this plan? Of course not. You’re resisting me. I know you won’t agree to this. If that’s insufficient, I’m pretending that Biden gets 25th-Amendmented on January 2025 anyway and Haris takes over. So I’m not seeing a major difference aside from Harris maybe getting a good VP pick to help her out this season.
I mean, the main hope is that the Biden delegates basically get together and crown someone else the nominee.
The delegates are basically set since so much of the primary is done already. Having Biden drop out will force them to pick someone. (Without dropping out, the delegates may vote for Biden like they initially promised)
But we still have the big money problem, whoever they pick. Haris would be the leading contender of this process anyway just because of the money thing.
I’m not 100% sure if Harris can beat Trump, even if I support her personally. I just want the one who has the biggest chance to win and today that’s Biden from all options presented to me.
Being concerned about your own race is not enough.
We need to know what the national strategy is. Who would replace Joe Biden? The fact that Scholten calls for Biden to get out, while is herself unable to name a reasonable replacement shows the magnitude of the problem. These Democrats want Biden to leave before a cohesive post-Biden strategy is formulated.
I’m not necessarily against replacing Biden. But I am absolutely against Democrats running around like a headless chicken 4 months before the election. Have Democrats settled on Harris as the replacement? Are yall actually cool with that?
Can you actually say “Harris should replace Biden” moving forward, rather than this wishy-washy “Please leave Biden” kind of talk? One statement speaks far louder than the other.
I’ll vote for Harris. I’ll vote for Biden. This strategy doesn’t affect me or my vote. So I see it as a waste of time. But if everyone else is nervous, give me a sign that you actually have a cohesive strategy moving forward rather than just having nerves or weak knees about this situation.
I expect progressives are using this as an opportunity to backstab Biden and most Democrats, and install someone much further left / appealing to their personal politics. That’s why progressives can’t name someone they actually want to run / replace Biden and want to just bring Biden down in the vain hopes that they win out in the chaos. But that’s too dangerous of a strategy for me moving forward. I want to know who actually has reasonable chances of beating Trump (and I think Kamala Haris has worse chances than Biden actually). I want to know who specifically these people want to support before Biden steps down.
Do they need a “strategy” when the whole point of a primary is to find a suitable candidate?
Yes. You need to prove to me that Biden stepping out is better for Democrats and/or America than Biden staying in.
If your strategy is bullshit “I’ll figure it out later”, then sorry, I’m sticking with Biden for my support. If you can’t even reliably tell me that you’ll back Kamala Haris (or any other specificly named reasonable replacement), then that’s proof of your lack of strategy.
This is too important of an issue to fuck up and turn into chaos just a few months before the election. If yall don’t like Biden, then my strategy is for Biden to run and then resign in January, making Kamala President (and keeping the important technicalities of donations which are earmarked to the Biden campaign). Anything else has incredible amounts of risk tying up important money that’s been collected for months. (Alternatively, if someone can assure me that Kamala will have the full support of the Biden campaign’s resources if Biden leaves… I can support Kamala without a doubt).
Chaos is the right call. Predictability is how we lose.
Trump wins news cycle after news cycle because he is chaotic. The media knows the American public can’t wait to hear every outlandish thing that comes out of his mouth.
We need as much chaos as we can generate coming into the convention, winning us news cycle after news cycle, whipping the base into a frenzy. Chaos builds energy and excitement. Chaos works for us.
What we can’t have is another “Bernie or Bust” scenario, where we name a viable candidate too early, get everyone to fall in love, then replace them with unmitigated boredom. Naming a candidate today runs that risk.
The chaos of Occupy Wall Street in 2011 caused the Republicans to win in 2012, 2014, and 2016.
I don’t think you guys are as good at chaos as Republicans. No offense. I’m betting on predictability. You guys think you’re winning when in fact you’re just turning the independents against you and killing your chances. Every fucking time.
Biden beat Trump. Biden got results. I’m still putting my trust in that over the random chaos that the far left asks for every time.
The problem with Bernie is that he’s a socialist in a country that hates socialists. Yall picked poorly. We’re not running to make progressives feel good (like Occupy Wall Street in 2011) only to have Republicans kick your ass. We’re trying to beat Trump this year as priority #1.
I already said earlier who the alternative is: its Kamala Harris and only if some legal technicalities regarding Biden’s campaign funds can be figured out. Can you pledge your support of Kamala Harris today with me?
There’s some very large piles of money that need to be moved around and maneuvered here to support whoever the Democrats pick is. And a lot of that pile of money is signed and earmarked to Biden specifically. If Biden and Harris aren’t your pick, what’s your plan to do with the money?
Harris is Clinton circa 2008. She’s the boring, predictable candidate that nobody really wants, but we have to pick someone and everyone already knows her.
Obama circa 2008 hasn’t shown up yet. We’ll get to meet them in about three weeks.
You’ve had 2016, 2020, and now the entirety of 2024 campaign season to come up with somebody.
Time is out. We pick now. Its Biden or Harris. You pretending like there’s a 3rd option ignores the fact that fundraising season is over and that you’d permanently hamper the new candidate to not have money in time for the November election.
Lets say Biden resigns tomorrow. Where does the campaign cash go? Maybe (and I’m not 100% sure), MAYBE Harris. But its not earmarked to anyone else. So that just burns that pile of cash effectively.
So maybe before going into the 2024 election without any fucking money, give this a few minutes of thought and come up with a better plan.
Why didn’t your hypothetical and imaginary friend show up in the Democratic primaries earlier this year? And why do you delude yourself into thinking that they exist?
Some strong governors have been floated as options aside from Haris. But I’m not seeing how the various governor candidates deal with the money issue highlighted over the past week. Biden resigning, Haris inheriting the money and then picking a strong running made might be the best path forward.
Can you agree to this plan? Of course not. You’re resisting me. I know you won’t agree to this. If that’s insufficient, I’m pretending that Biden gets 25th-Amendmented on January 2025 anyway and Haris takes over. So I’m not seeing a major difference aside from Harris maybe getting a good VP pick to help her out this season.
Because you don’t normally primary challenge an incumbent without a damn good reason, and we didn’t have a damn good reason until the debate.
I won’t agree to Harris now, specifically because Harris is another boring candidate. Let’s see if she’s the best candidate after the convention.
I mean, the main hope is that the Biden delegates basically get together and crown someone else the nominee.
The delegates are basically set since so much of the primary is done already. Having Biden drop out will force them to pick someone. (Without dropping out, the delegates may vote for Biden like they initially promised)
But we still have the big money problem, whoever they pick. Haris would be the leading contender of this process anyway just because of the money thing.
I’m not 100% sure if Harris can beat Trump, even if I support her personally. I just want the one who has the biggest chance to win and today that’s Biden from all options presented to me.
The post-Biden strategy is a media frenzy around the Democratic National Convention next month, where the next candidate will ultimately be chosen.
Yeah. The plan to not have a plan at all.
Lovely. And you wonder why you lose independents and don’t like your style of governance.
Now come back when you have a real plan to win Arizona, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
I’m voting for neither, nor Trump. This doesn’t impact my vote either. Unless something crazy happens, I’m voting for Chase Oliver.
But I don’t live in a swing state, so my opinion here isn’t relevant.