• rockSlayer@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      Retired people are generally working class too. Unless the person owns/owned a large corporation, that is.

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        Sure but they get their money the same way the rich do, via capital gains.

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          4 months ago

          That would be in lieu of income taxes, yes. Also doesn’t apply for ss or pensions.

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          Capitalism forces even the unwilling to participate. It’s a matter of fact that the only way to afford a retirement in the last 50 years as a worker is to invest in private capital. I already want to see the total annihilation of coerced labor, I don’t want to work for my entire life.

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            What government or economic system doesn’t do that? Even if the system is fully autonomous and opt in, it implicitly obligates interaction if it is enforced by any means (or the use of another system is prohibited)

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              If you’re asking about that bit of snark at the end about coerced labor, I can try to explain it.

              I consider there to be 3 loose types of labor: forced, coerced, and controlled. Forced labor is what it sounds like: incarcerated labor, slavery, etc controlled through violence and defined by the bosses total control over their labor and often their life. Coerced labor shares a bit of overlap with forced labor, but it’s primarily defined through modern capitalist work in which workers must perform waged labor due to economic pressure.

              Controlled labor would be the free association to work where the worker wished and contribute at their own pace. I consider the picturesque version of controlled labor to be a unionized worker cooperative in which all management is elected within a socialist economy. Work is still directed by management, but it’s free of coercion due to the lack of economic pressure that would require a person to be forced to work.

              There will still be coercion through other means within such a socialist society, and it will still be just as evil as economic coercion. But we should strive to eliminate it wherever possible. That’s why I believe even the co-op would need a union, to establish protections against such coercion.

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      4 months ago

      The plan is closing the Medicare tax loophole for $400k+ earners. I didn’t mention it because it’s an additional tax on the first category mentioned in both the meme and my comment.